Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!purdue!gatech!prism!vsserv!loligo!pepke From: pepke@loligo (Eric Pepke) Newsgroups: comp.graphics Subject: Re: Frame rate (was: Re: HDTV and ATV Glossary (TN32)) Message-ID: <145@vsserv.scri.fsu.edu> Date: 31 Aug 89 21:11:57 GMT References: <13130@well.UUCP> <17400008@hpfcdj.HP.COM> <470@telesoft.telesoft.com> <8034@ardent.UUCP> Sender: news@vsserv.scri.fsu.edu Reply-To: pepke@loligo.UUCP (Eric Pepke) Organization: Supercomputer Computations Research Institute Lines: 43 When you're talking about the difference between interlace and non-interlace per se, it doesn't make any sense to let every other variable differ as well. If you do, it's never clear just what you are comparing, and the result is that you can never say anything meaningful about interlace. Interlace was a kludge way back in the early days when emulsions were coarse and amplifiers were slow to minimize perceived flicker GIVEN A CERTAIN BANDWIDTH. You don't need to worry about comb filters and aliasing when you make your amplifiers out of tubes with bakellite bases and all your images come from an image orthicon that is about as grainy as cream of wheat. Now, of course, you can build tiny solid-state current feedback amplifiers with transitions sharp enough to pierce the firmament. However, bandwidth is still one of the most important numbers that you have to engineer around. In CG terms it translates roughly to horizontal scan frequency times number of dots in a line and directly affects 1) Response time of the phosphor 2) The rate at which you have to grab memory 3) The quality of the fastest amplifiers in the entire loop 4) How long you can make your cable and what you have to make it out of These are the MAJOR engineering decisions. The question is, given the bandwidth you can handle, the potentially high vertical visual frequencies, the resolution of the bits of phosphor, etc. is interlace itself going to make the picture better or worse, or will it matter. Numbers for existing systems put on spec sheets by marketing departments have to do more with history than with anything else, and freeing one from these bad 40-year-old decisions that made sense at the time is the whole point of HDTV in the first place. So, when considering interlace vs. non-interlace, keep the bandwidth constant, as well as the number of lines displayed and pixels per line. The kind of niggling about whether 30 Hz is frame rate or field rate is part of the reason that cps was abandoned for Hz, so Hz is obviously not a useful concept in this context and causes more trouble than it's worth. Eric Pepke INTERNET: pepke@gw.scri.fsu.edu Supercomputer Computations Research Institute MFENET: pepke@fsu Florida State University SPAN: scri::pepke Tallahassee, FL 32306-4052 BITNET: pepke@fsu Disclaimer: My employers seldom even LISTEN to my opinions. Meta-disclaimer: Any society that needs disclaimers has too many lawyers.