Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!RELAY.PROTEON.COM!hs From: hs@RELAY.PROTEON.COM Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: Randomnicity and the Token Ring Message-ID: <8908282021.AA24495@monk.proteon.com> Date: 28 Aug 89 18:45:00 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: Proteon, Inc., Westborough, MA 01581 [(508)898-2800] Lines: 19 Hi All: Mike O'D is I'm sure relating back to a wonderful LBL paper in which one node was indeed locked out every time. This happened even though the ring is egalitarian and allowed one packet per customer. If the timing of trnsmit and receive are just right, then, when one guy gets his packet into the buffer, the second node gets its packet refused. By the time the second figures out that it should retransmit, the first node gets the buffer....But, there was no randomness claused by vagueries of OS, head seek times and what have you. Given a small amount of randomness this could not persist. Also, our newer products (and 802.5 and FDDI) have multiple buffers so it is very unlikely in these newer designs. But, the point is made that deterministic access does not imply deterministic delivery. I can bring the horse to water but I can't make it drink. Howard