Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!ginosko!uunet!brunix!omh From: omh@brunix (Owen M. Hartnett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: Hard Disc Failures Message-ID: <13768@brunix.UUCP> Date: 29 Aug 89 00:20:24 GMT References: <870284@hpcilzb.HP.COM> <3989@csd4.csd.uwm.edu> <19291@mimsy.UUCP> Sender: news@brunix.UUCP Reply-To: omh@zaphod.UUCP (Owen M. Hartnett) Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science Lines: 35 I have had *two* 80M Apple (Quantum) drives go south - both in IIcx's bought through Apple Partners program. I have AppleCare contracts now on both. I moderate the Boston Computer Society's MacTechGrp and asked if anyone else had a similar problem. There was only *one* other IIcx owner in the crowd and his was going south, also. How to know if you're disk is about to go south: Usually it starts just as a failure to boot. Ultimately, it degrades such that the drive goes south during operation, occasionally causing a bad write, or at least an error correctable via Disk First Aid. To my rather untrained ear, it doesn't appear to me that the drive stops spinning; its more like the head doesn't search properly. Upon failure during use, the drive makes a scratching noise similar to it's usual head seek noise, only louder and more dramatic. The drive will then fail to boot up for awhile. random resets using the programmer's switch will invariably bring it back, although I have retried for about 45 minutes continuously at a stretch. Random voodoo you can try: Opening your mac, removing the drive, swinging it, replacing the drive. This works quite often, usually the swing need be no more than a movement of the drive through about 135 degrees. Violent force is usually no more effective then gentle movement and is not recommended. Needless to say, at the first sign, get the backup disks ready, because it's going to be a rough night. -Owen Owen Hartnett Brown University Computer Science omh@cs.brown.edu.CSNET