Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!wuarchive!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!apple!usc!aero!travis@douglass.cs.columbia.edu From: travis@douglass.cs.columbia.edu (Travis Lee Winfrey) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: Definition of Feminism Message-ID: <6463@columbia.edu> Date: 22 Aug 89 15:21:48 GMT References: <6681@rpi.edu> <1847@cmx.npac.syr.edu> <3023@cbnewsh.ATT.COM> <1849@cmx.npac.syr.edu> <5786@tekigm2.MEN.TEK.COM> <3985@ncar.ucar.edu> <46655@oliveb.olivetti.com> <6882@bunker.UUCP> Sender: nadel@aerospace.aero.org Reply-To: elroy!ames!douglass.cs.columbia.edu!travis (Travis Lee Winfrey) Followup-To: soc.feminism Organization: Columbia University Lines: 48 Approved: nadel@aerospace.aero.org Status: R In article <6882@bunker.UUCP> elroy!decvax!bunker!garys (Gary M. Samuelson) writes: >In article <46655@oliveb.olivetti.com> jan@Arezzo.orc.olivetti.com (Jan Parcel) writes: >>The definition of feminism is to desire that society treat people >>according to their individual traits, as you recommend, rather than >>their gender. Well, let's call that a definition of feminism. The term means many things to different people. >Then why is it called "feminism" (from the Latin "femina," woman)? >Why isn't it called "egalitarianism," for example? Because "egalitarianism" implicitly refers to the equality of citizens, where "citizens" is a term that has almost always, implicitly or explicitly, been defined as "male." The celebrated equality in post-revolutionary America was given directly to the males, without changing the unequal status of females, slaves, native Americans, and non-land-owning white males. All the praise for the queen of the household did not change the fact that women were not allowed to vote, appear on juries, or hold jobs that had the same status as men. The same rhetoric praising the domestic goddesses appeared in other countries undergoing the Industrial Revolution. Equality in the post-revolutionary Soviet Union seemed different, since women were said to have equal status, but rhetoric did not change societal roles, and so the women were left to do their old domestic tasks in addition to their new professional tasks. Professions that became dominated by females, such as the medical profession, lost their status. The same thing has happened in the American and West European states with many professions, e.g., nursing and secretarial work. It's just another pattern. The mingled histories of the feminist and abolitionist/civil rights movements in America are no accident. They are both fighting for equal rights, but before that, the necessary understanding that equal rights have not been given. What began as a struggle for political power over a century ago (some will say centuries) has become a powerful means of analysis of patriarchal systems and gender bias, systems and biases that appear in various forms: as obvious as the lack of women in construction work, as subtle as the tendency of scientists to insist on looking for hierarchical structures in holistic systems like the human immune system, or as outrageous as the lack of funding for "women's issues" such as child care. As the t-shirt says, "same shit, different day." t Arpa: travis@cs.columbia.edu Usenet: rutgers!columbia!travis