Path: utzoo!dciem!nrcaer!sce!ulysses!garym From: garym@ulysses.UUCP (Gary Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.cog-eng Subject: Re: Possibility of universal icons Keywords: language, icons, culture Message-ID: <6955@ulysses.UUCP> Date: 29 Aug 89 20:00:55 GMT References: <9268@cs.Buffalo.EDU> <1985@softway.oz> <6531@stiatl.UUCP> <30800@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> <953@ciss.Dayton.NCR.COM> <6954@sunray.UUCP> Reply-To: garym@cognos.UUCP (Gary Murphy) Organization: Cognos Inc., Ottawa, Canada Lines: 38 Proposition: Universal Icons are made, not born. In all this discussion over universal icons, we seem oblivious to those 'popular' icons all around us - in most cases, these are hardly 'iconic' at all in the sense of containing an optimum balance of completeness and visual simplicity, the goal of the byzantine artists. Like the plethora of 'wordstar'-like editors, our efforts are confounded when we try to place too much importance on capturing the familiar cues, ignoring empirical evidence that it is easier for humans to learn completely different sets of codes than to learn a new set which intersects with our previous habits. I'm reminded of an experiment designed to test geometric recognition in rats: simple symbols, the circle, cross and square, were posted one each on three doors, where the circle always denoted the food. The rats failed miserably until someone noticed that rats look down, not forward - Placing symbols on the floor dramatically improved the creatures' performance. An icon, however designed, is still both a cue (to our program 'food') and an abstract metaphor, or at best a visual/cultural pun. The latter will always be invisible to those who are not looking for it while the former is instantly apparent only after the fact. Can you explain why the sad-eyed, nazarine man who holds an open book lettered in greek has his other hand poised in such a peculiar fashion? Every East-Orthodox Church has one of these 'unique recognizable PHYSICAL analogs', yet the meaning is at best unclear to all but the adepts. I'm no expert in cognitive science, but I don't think our objective is as much to produce universal, spontaneously interpretable icons as it is to produce memorable logos. Looking at the media machine, this suggests stylized, often abstract, but generally simple images; Maybe this issue is better suited to comp.graphic-artists than comp.cog-eng. -- Gary Murphy - Cognos Incorporated - (613) 738-1338 x5537 3755 Riverside Dr - P.O. Box 9707 - Ottawa Ont - CANADA K1G 3N3 e-mail: decvax!utzoo!dciem!nrcaer!cognos!garym Cosmic Irreversibility: 1 pot T -> 1 pot P, 1 pot P /-> 1 pot T