Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!cwjcc!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!apple!Apple.COM!lsr From: lsr@Apple.COM (Larry Rosenstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: Allegro Common Lisp licensing fees Message-ID: <4012@internal.Apple.COM> Date: 1 Sep 89 17:58:01 GMT Sender: usenet@Apple.COM Organization: Objects-R-Us, Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 44 References:<4872@merlin.usc.edu> <939@mrsvr.UUCP> <2034@crdgw1.crd.ge.com> In article <2034@crdgw1.crd.ge.com> vita@daredevil.crd.ge.com (Mark F. Vita) writes: > Well, if the fee is so , why not just get rid of it? I don't think it is purely symbolic. There is some legal reasons behind it. > development products. But royalty fees on compilers are absolutely > inexcusable. I mean, I've already paid for the product once; why I don't know the Lisp environment, but there are no royalties for using MPW compilers. Once you start shipping some of Apple's code (as with MacApp), then there are licensing fees. I would guess that shipping a product with Macintosh Lisp results in shipping a significant amount of Apple's code, hence the licensing fee. Also, remember this is a flat fee, not a per copy fee. > this swell new technology, right? Wrong; instead they charge a > $100/yr royalty fee for developing with MacApp. Why? I don't have to > pay $100/yr to make Toolbox calls. Why should I have to pay $100/yr > to use MacApp? You don't distribute the Toolbox code with your application. You do distribute the MacApp code. You don't have to pay any fee unless you distribute an application. The $100 fee is for commercial applications. Presumably if you sell applications for a living you can afford a licensing fee. If you produce non-profit applications than the licensing fee is much smaller (the last I heard it was $10). We made this change to the licensing agreement after complaints from users. > Apple should not be running their development services as a profit > center. It's quite apparent that they are doing just that (the recent If you think these licensing fees make a profit, then you are mistaken. Larry Rosenstein, Apple Computer, Inc. Object Specialist Internet: lsr@Apple.com UUCP: {nsc, sun}!apple!lsr AppleLink: Rosenstein1