Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!wuarchive!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!psuvax1!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!nanotech From: mmm@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: sci.nanotech Subject: The Cryonic Nation Message-ID: Date: 9 Sep 89 00:20:51 GMT Sender: nanotech@athos.rutgers.edu Lines: 33 Approved: nanotech@aramis.rutgers.edu Suppose all the cryonicists had their own country. With nanotechnology they would be rich as Saudis and immortal as the gods on Mount Olympus. Assuming they didn't feel a need to reproduce, their population would be stable. (They could reproduce at the suicide rate.) Now think about the outside world. Here would be the teeming mass of humanity. You can't force them to take birth control pills, except by the barrel of a gun. Some of them are starving. If you use nanotechnology to give them free food, they reproduce some more and run out of something else such as water, living space, or maybe even air. Now what are you (the nanotechnologist) going to do? You need some of the resources they use. If you try to help them out, you just increase their numbers. They are running out of resources, and cast a hungry eye at you. It seems obvious to me the cryonic nation will see the living population as a danger which they won't be able to tolerate. You can't sterilize these people because they don't want to be sterilized. You can't freeze them because they don't want to be frozen. You can't ship them into space colonies because they don't want to go. Left to its own devices, the living population will grow until it strains the ability of the planet to support it. The living population IS gray goo, gray goo of the worst and dirtiest sort. And what do we do with gray goo? The cryonicists already know the answer to this question. [I don't see what this has to do with cryonicists. To the extent the analysis is valid, it is valid for anybody. The difference between the "good guys" and the "goo guys" has nothing to do with cryonics or even nanotechnology; it is simply the willingness to limit one's own reproduction. --JoSH]