Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!watmath!att!dptg!rutgers!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!cbmvax!snark!eric From: eric@snark.uu.net (Eric S. Raymond) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: more soap box Message-ID: <1SsYy5#6pYhHg=eric@snark.uu.net> Date: 21 Sep 89 14:53:40 GMT References: <21962@cup.portal.com> <1989Sep12.031453.22947@wolves.uucp> <22130@cup.portal.com> <1989Sep16.044013.429@wolves.uucp> <259@ssp1.idca.tds.philips.nl> <22308@cup.portal.com> Lines: 27 In <22308@cup.portal.com> Cliff C Heyer wrote: > the *big iron* guys use MIPS as a trojan horse to hide the *real* > performance issue - "real world" I/O bandwidth. Lets blow their > cover!) Huh? The `big iron' crowd is happy to talk I/O bandwidth, it's about the only place general-purpose mainframes got room to shine any more. It's the *PC/workstation* crowd that's prone to yell about MIPS and whisper about I/O performance. As well they might. For most job-mixes, 16MHz+ UNIX micros are disk-limited rather than processor-limited. To see this, rip out your crufty old ST406/512 controller/drive pair and drop in a track-buffering ESDI or SCSI controller with 1:1 interleave -- and watch your real performance *double*. Part of this is low bus bandwidth (especially on AT-bus machines) but most is simply that processor technology has outrun mass-storage technology, very much as happened a decade ago when the VAX and other second-generation minis got off the ground (the parallel is reinforced by the strong similarity between present micro architectures and those minis -- go compare the 680x0 instruction set to a PDP-11's sometime). Barring a quantum leap in mass-storage technology, this gap is probably going to get wider rather than narrower. Therefore, expect the MIPS smoke-and-mirrors to get *more* intense... -- Eric S. Raymond = eric@snark.uu.net (mad mastermind of TMN-Netnews)