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From: rampil@cca.ucsf.edu (Ira Rampil)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Re: MacNosy
Keywords: debugger,disassembler
Message-ID: <2380@ucsfcca.ucsf.edu>
Date: 17 Sep 89 17:02:02 GMT
References: <902@eutrc3.urc.tue.nl>
Reply-To: rampil@cca.ucsf.edu.UUCP (Ira Rampil)
Organization: Department of Anesthesia, UCSF
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In article <902@eutrc3.urc.tue.nl> rcbaab@eutrc3.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) writes:
>Hello NetWorld!
>
>I had some questions regarding MacNosy:
>1) What is the amount of memory needed to run the program comfortably,
>2) What is the newest version (mine is from '86 and I can't find any info
>on updates and how much it costs to update)?

Greetings,
  Nosy runs very comfortably in 1 Meg and probably does fine in 512k
for small target programs.  I have sucessfully Nosy'd a program
containing 1.2MByte of CODE resource with Nosy running in a 1M 
partition.  Jasik is continually working on his products and there
are minor revisions/extensions monthly, major releases every 3-4 months.
The current version is substantially rewritten since 1986 and now uses
a standard Mac interface and comes with a legible manual.
  I believe that Nosy is now sold only as part of the 'Debugger'
package which is distributed through APDA and Bonsu so most Mail-Order
retailers can get it (make sure you get at least version 2.95 btw).
  IMHO Nosy/Debugger are extremely powerful, useful tools.  By
comparison Macsbug, TMON and even SADE are unspeakably primitive, and
even Think's nice debuggers are missing too many feature (like 
natural format trap arguments and discipline).  On the other hand,
the product does not get much press because (again IMHO) 1) Jasik can
be very irritating to deal with, and 2) Most popular press reviewers and
their readership don't understand the product or have any use for it,
it is at best a "gee whiz."  Nonetheless,  it has saved me many hours
of bug tracing in my work, and has made (as a side effect) new customers
for Jasik out of many of the companies I beta test for because with
almost no investment of my time, I can give them specific bug reports
almost down to the line number of their code without my acess to their
source.
  I will now descend from the soapbox.

  I know Steve Jasik but have no relationship, other than as a 
satisfied customer with him.

Ira Rampil
Department of Anesthesia
UCSF