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From: karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Karl Denninger)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Who's Messing With The Usenet ?
Summary: I'm getting a lot of dups with DIFFERENT Message IDs.  Example follows
Keywords: article, duplication, monkey business
Message-ID: <1989Sep16.152857.14239@ddsw1.MCS.COM>
Date: 16 Sep 89 15:28:57 GMT
References: <2056@avsd.UUCP> <14682@bfmny0.UU.NET>
Reply-To: karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Karl Denninger)
Organization: Macro Computer Solutions, Inc., Mundelein, IL
Lines: 64

We're getting lots of dups too.

But they have DIFFERENT Message IDs here...  Here is but one of the dozen or
so examples I notice each day!

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From: rlr@toccata.rutgers.edu (Rich Rosen)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Site Admin stuff -- what if I give boneheads accounts?
Message-ID: <Sep.16.02.00.12.1989.9161@toccata.rutgers.edu>
Date: 16 Sep 89 06:00:14 GMT
References: <7260@medusa.cs.purdue.edu>
Distribution: na

And...

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From: rlr@toccata.rutgers.edu (Rich Rosen)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Site Admin stuff -- what if I give boneheads accounts?
Message-ID: <Sep.16.02.02.51.1989.9175@toccata.rutgers.edu>
Date: 16 Sep 89 06:02:52 GMT
References: <2380@flatline.UUCP> <1489@jolnet.ORPK.IL.US> <1989Sep6.001332.12167@NCoast.ORG>
Distribution: na
Organization: RLRCLC
Lines: 40

The differences?  Here's the diff from it:

5,7c5,7
< Message-ID: <Sep.16.02.00.12.1989.9161@toccata.rutgers.edu>
< Date: 16 Sep 89 06:00:14 GMT
< References: <7260@medusa.cs.purdue.edu>
---
> Message-ID: <Sep.16.02.02.51.1989.9175@toccata.rutgers.edu>
> Date: 16 Sep 89 06:02:52 GMT
> References: <2380@flatline.UUCP> <1489@jolnet.ORPK.IL.US> <1989Sep6.001332.12167@NCoast.ORG>
10c10
< Lines: 39
---
> Lines: 40
21a22
> > 

Hmmm.....

It looks to me like someone is using some other mechanism than the Usenet
stuff to post, and in addition their "crosslink" software is posting
articles TWICE!

I've seen a lot of these the last few weeks, and I only read a couple of
dozen newsgroups.   The problem, of course, is that it is darn difficult if
not impossible to track these down automatically, since they are, by
definition, different articles.  I'd have to estimate that I see about 2-5
of these a day -- and I only read a small subpart of the entire net (who
could possibly read the entire thing?!).

Is this a case of broken software, or broken users posting things twice?

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