Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!lll-winken!lll-lcc!pyramid!amdcad!military From: gardiner@umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU (David Gardiner) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Air Combat Message-ID: <27230@amdcad.AMD.COM> Date: 13 Sep 89 08:15:42 GMT References: <27214@amdcad.AMD.COM> Sender: cdr@amdcad.AMD.COM Organization: CSci Dept., University of Minnesota, Mpls. Lines: 15 Approved: military@amdcad.amd.com From: gardiner@umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU (David Gardiner) Most of the issues relating to why dogfighting is still important have been covered. I will add one more: The Vincennes (sp?) incident showed the danger of beyond visual range weapons. BVR weapons are really useful in all-out war situations only, and the US is unlikely to be involved in any of those in the foreseeable future. Hence, visual identification of the target is essential. In this age of supersonic fighters, if you can visually identify the enemy aircraft, you are basically already in a dogfight. Assume that you spot the enemy at a range of 10 miles and have a 1800 kt closure rate. You have 20 seconds until you are canopy to canopy. All-aspect missiles are nice but your best shot is still from the rear quarter.