Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!cs.utexas.edu!usc!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: jking@apollo.hp.com (John King) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Who do you say Christ is? (and other questions) Message-ID: Date: 17 Sep 89 18:03:06 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: Apollo Computer, Chelmsford, Mass. Lines: 37 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu smith_w@apollo.hp.com (Walter Smith @ Apollo Computer, Chelmsford, MA) writes: > I also did research into the tract James is examining here. Mine was directed >at the section called 'What the ante-nicene fathers taught". The JW's claim >Tertullian, Justin Martyr, Iraneaus, etc., were anti-trinity. I went to the >library and read some of their works, like Tertullian on the soul, Dialog >with Trypho (justin Martyr), etc. What I found was that these people said >things quite different from what the JW imply. This did not suprise me. When you went to the library, Walter, did you ignore the refernces I suggested you look up in the Catholic Encyclopedia and the Encylopedia of Religion on Justin Martyr and Tertullian? Both volumes are at the Nashua Public library near your house. >What did, was that the early christian writers I read all believed that Jesus >Christ was the same God who spoke to Moses & the Old Testament prophets; that >Jesus was indeed YHWH (giving Moses the 10 commandents, etc.) of the OT. >I had heard people say that they believed Jesus was mentioned in certain >parts of the OT, but I was not aware that the view of the promenant early >writers was that Jesus was the YHWH of the OT. If Jesus Christ really is >the same YHWH who spoke to the prophets, then the trinity (or at least the >deity of Christ) seems naturally to follow. Jesus is YHWH? This raises some sticky questions. It sounds more Oneness than Trinitarian. Or are you saying that YHWH is the son, not the father. At Ps 83:18 were it says, "That people may know that you whose name is YHWH, You alone are most high over all the earth." ..is this Jesus? Perhaps you can supply some documentation. Jack