Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!apple!motcsd!hpda!hpcupt1!hprnd!pat From: pat@hprnd.HP.COM (Pat Thaler) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans Subject: Re: Req For Info - Ethernet Electrical Rules/Specs Message-ID: <2230028@hprnd.HP.COM> Date: 11 Oct 89 17:27:20 GMT References: <188.2526de30@acci.com> Organization: HP Roseville Networks Division Lines: 38 re a reference for 802.3 cabling rules: The best reference is the source, ISO 8802-3, ANSI/IEEE Std 802.3, available from IEEE 345 East 47th Street, New York, NY 10017. The media specs are in chapter 8 for thick and chapter 10 for thin. If you have an older copy of 802.3, it doesn't contain section 10 and you will need to have an old copy of the Supplements to 802.3 CSMA/CD or to buy a new copy. It is not friendly or tutorial. It tells the rules, it usually doesn't explain why. re why using a pigtail sometimes works: 802.3 MAUs (transceivers) present a high impedance to the bus to make it look as much like a continuous piece of 50 ohm transmission line as possible. Any shunt capacitance attached to the cable results in a reflection. The standard allows each MAU to cause no more reflection than a 6 pF capacitor. When you put on a pigtail you will be creating larger reflections than permitted. The reflections do two things. They reduce the power in the signal and they interfere with the signal as noise. Assume you have a number of taps done with pigtails. Depending on where you observe on the cable, where the transmitter is, where the taps are and what the data pattern is; the reflections may add or they may cancel each other. Also, some components in your system may be better than worst case allowing margin for the extra noise. So you may find things work fine or that most stations work fine, but A and B can't talk to each other. You can get some pretty flakey problems. It is not a good idea to do. Same thing applies to 75 ohm cable. Depending on the exact transmit level and collision detect of your MAUs, you may not see a problem. You may have some MAUs that don't work and some that do. You can get false collisions and you can get CRC/alignment errors. Pat Thaler