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From: ngg@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM (Norman Goodger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac
Subject: Re: Is Apple Dumping Mac IIs?
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Date: 13 Oct 89 00:13:47 GMT
References: <1989Oct12.163734.26748@agate.berkeley.edu>
Reply-To: ngg@bridge2.3Com.com (Norman Goodger)
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In article <1989Oct12.163734.26748@agate.berkeley.edu> steve@violet.berkeley.edu (Steve Goldfield) writes:
>I just got a new price list from our campus Apple
>store. I noticed (with no special effort to emphasize
>it on the list) that faculty, staff, and departments
>(but not students) can buy a Mac II CPU for $1565,
>which is the same price as an SE with two 1.4 floppies.
>The price had been (and still is for students) $2550.
>Both lists say "While Supplies Last," which seems to
>answer my question above.

>I suppose it makes some sense since Apple now has
>the IIcx,i and IIx. But I bought a Mac II in the first
>place on the grounds that its six slots would enable it
>to be upgraded as the technology advanced. Apple's
>strategy of obsoleting it seems to be a betrayal of
>that reasonable, to my mind, expectation.

>Plainly, Apple will make more money the way they are
>going. But they will also generate still more ill will.
>What about those who buy the IIcx or i and find that
>later improvements are not made easily and cheaply
>available to them. On the other hand, a IIci CPU is
>advertised for $3792 and an upgrade to the IIci (not
>clear if it is available for a II) for $1758. That
>would seem to imply that I could buy a II and upgrade
>it to a IIi (if such a beast exists) for $3308. Sounds
>like a good deal.
>I'd be interested in any comments.
>Steve Goldfield

It appears to me that you like many others have expections that are way to
high for what you are getting. Technology will always continue to advance
much faster than you or I would like. I would like to get a IIci (have a cx)
but the price difference is to high. Eventually that will change as yet
even more faster and higher priced perhaps CPU's come out. 

Where does the ill will come from? It comes from those (IMHO) that would
prefer it seems for Apple to sit on its hands and fall behind technologically
just so they can say they have the latest and greatest and keep that title
for a while...ego perhaps?

Apple is in the business to make money, always has been, always will be.
Perhaps as yet even faster CPU's come out, the ones were drooling over now
will be within affordable range, if we can overcome this mind set that
we need to have the latest & Fastest CPU. I would like a Portable for those
rare occasions that I travel a couple times a year, but for $6k+, not a
chance, but in a couple years, perhaps I'll get a used one and have it
for those travelling needs..by 91-92,  I suspect that the Portable will be
replaced and I'll be able to get one for less then 2K..what do you think?

As far as your Mac II being obsolete, those slots will allow you to place
33mhz accelerators in them, there are other accelerator options, the PMMU
will allow you to use VM in 7.0, so while the II itself is clearance priced,
you can still make it a very usable machine for a few more years, all depends
again on what you want...latest and greatest? You'll pay for the privelege!



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