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From: chewy@apple.com (Paul Snively)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Re: C++ options - help!
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Date: 9 Oct 89 20:50:58 GMT
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In article <137@asihub.UUCP> jmp@asihub.UUCP (John Pantone) writes:
> I need info on using C++ on the Mac.  I have (and am dissapointed in) 
the new
> SYMANTEC THINK C with Object Extensions, and am aware of the new C++ 
which
> will run under (on?) MPW.
> 
> Are there any real alternatives to the above? THINK is not really a 
viable
> alternative - too small a subset.  MPW is rather pricey (I have none of 
the
> MPW stuff now - so would need the entire suite) but appears to be a true 
-
> full C++.

I'm curious--why the perception that "MPW is rather pricey," if you 
haven't used the MPW environment?  The reality is that MPW is 
price-competitive with environments such as Microsoft C 5.x for the IBM 
world, and I believe includes a great deal more.  The MPW shell is a 
programmable, customizable development environment including integrated 
editing/scripting and many of the most popular UNIX programming utilities, 
albeit with friendlier names and interfaces.  There are many third-party 
compilers, scripts, etc. for MPW to make it even more useful, and we at 
Apple keep trying to do things to make it nicer, too (if you're an Apple 
Partner with a CD-ROM player, you should be able to check out "Phil and 
Dave's Excellent CD" that we sent you and find LOTS of MPW Goodies to play 
with).

To use C++, you wouldn't need "the entire suite."  You would need the Shell, the C compiler, and the C++ pre-processor.  Realistically, though, I think you'd probably WANT the whole suite (Pascal, Assembler, and so on) as well; you should really use MacApp to develop applications for the Macintosh, too.  The good news is that you can now do that in C++ instead of Object Pascal, if you're so inclined.

Speaking of our C++, it is indeed based on AT&T's 2.0 final, and we've added 
some extensions to make it marry with Object Pascal and MacApp better.  
Our beta 1 release is now at APDA.

Enjoy!

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