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From: chewy@apple.com (Paul Snively)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Re: C++ available from APDA for $175 :--(
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Date: 12 Oct 89 00:34:57 GMT
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In article <1482@intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes:
> In article <4672@internal.Apple.COM>, chewy@apple.com (Paul Snively) 
writes:
> > Going from MPW 2.x to MPW 3.x is kinda painful, but it's a transition 
that 
> > a lot of people will want to make for more reasons than just to run 
C++; 
> 
> Indeed.  The C compiler alone has all sorts of new kinds of bugs, but it
> makes up for it with some really nifty error messages...
> 
> I can understand Apple not wanting to pay royalties to Green Hills for
> their C compiler, and MPW C 3.0 has some things I would have killed for
> in 2.0.2, but at least the old compiler tended to compile valid C code
> correctly, even if the effective address calculations got a little
> complex...  Someone forgot to leave the "B" in the version number :-(...

What can I say?  Speaking of "true on all counts..."

It's frankly kind of a joke within my department (MacDTS--Macintosh 
Developer Technical Support) (and sorry about this, Keithen!), but you 
should hear the catcalls when we get an EMail reporting yet another C bug. 
 "No!  You're KIDDING!"  "MPW C IS a bug!"  "Can we please put this 
compiler out of our misery?" and others...

In article <1482@intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes:
> > As for C++, I wouldn't expect anything very cheap very fast from any 
of 
> > the other guys, either, although a native C++ compiler from THINK 
would 
> > thrill me no end...
> 
> Hmm.  I'd rather have a good, solid Cfront and C from Apple.

CFront is actually more solid that AT&T's that we ported it from (that is, 
we fixed a lot of AT&T bugs), and I have to agree with your desire for a 
more solid C.  Luckily (?), MPW 3.1 IS on its way soon, to an APDA near 
you.

P.S. I think my favorite C error message is "You can't: change the type of a constant, win a battle with the IRS, or satisfy this compiler."

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