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From: scl@uvaarpa.virginia.edu (Steve Losen)
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Subject: Re: Affirmative Action
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Date: 5 Oct 89 22:03:22 GMT
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In article <1989Sep30.185858.22432@rpi.edu> keith@pawl.rpi.edu (Keith D. Weiner) writes:
>>As a society we decided to put limits on companies and force them to
>
>If ever there was a more blatant example of collectivism, I would be hard
>pressed to find it.  "society"?  "we"?  "force"?  Sounds like the general idea
>is that individuals do not have the "right" to live life for themselves,
>because they are merely subsets of the collective.  That their lives are not
>ends in themselves, but means to the ends of the collective.

Now let me get this straight:

government  ==> collective

corporation ==> individual

And the big, bad government goes around stomping individual freedoms,
while poor, defenseless corporations are thwarted in their innocent
attempts to make a buck.  Bullshit.  Corporations are no closer to
being individuals than the government.  How many 1-person corporations
are there?  Corporations constantly intrude into the individual freedoms
of their employees.  Ever had to piss in a bottle or take a polygraph test?
How does that sort of policy champion the cause of individual rights?

To quote Mr. Weiner:

  Sounds like the general idea is that individuals do not have the
  "right" to live life for themselves, because they are merely subsets
  of the collective.  That their lives are not ends in themselves, but
  means to the ends of the collective.

If we just substitute "coal company" for "collective" it sounds exactly
like something a striking miner would say.

Mr. Weiner obviously prefers corporate-type collectives over government-
type collectives.  I have no problem with that.  But please don't try to
justify such personal perferences on the grounds of individual rights.
-- 
Steve Losen     scl@virginia.edu
University of Virginia Academic Computing Center