Xref: utzoo comp.object:201 comp.lang.c++:5061 Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!wuarchive!gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!snorkelwacker!think!bloom-beacon!spdcc!merk!alliant!linus!sdl From: sdl@mitre.org (Steven D. Litvintchouk) Newsgroups: comp.object,comp.lang.c++ Subject: Re: Remarks on the Wiener/Pinson Tutorial on C++ at OOPSLA'89 Message-ID: Date: 15 Oct 89 20:20:18 GMT References: Sender: sdl@linus.UUCP Distribution: na Organization: Mitre Corporation, Bedford, MA. Lines: 51 In-reply-to: des@orenda.amara.uucp's message of 13 Oct 89 22:11:55 GMT > I have taught for more than 10 years at the university level, have > taught tutorials myself, and have been to several tutorials in the > past 3 years. I have had a number of bad "being taught" experiences > in my life, but none can compare to this tutorial. Anything above > abysmal would be unwarranted. I feel that my company was cheated out > of $260 for a completely worthless and distasteful experience.... That makes (at least) two years in a row that OOPSLA gave bad tutorials on C++. In fact, having read your review of the Weiner/Pinson tutorial at OOPSLA '89, I maintain that the C++ tutorial given at OOPSLA '88 was even worse! The OOPSLA '88 tutorial on C++ (taught by Adrienne Dockrell) contained practically no examples of C++ code whatsoever! In fact, Ms. Dockrell never explained 99% of the specific features of C++ ! Additionally, Ms. Dockrell had just flown in that morning, and she had obviously had no sleep for perhaps 24 hours. You can imagine how she sounded. She meandered on in vague generalities. Nothing resembling a complete C++ program (or even a complete C++ class definition) was ever presented. Given the importance of C++, future OOPSLAs had better do a better job teaching it.... Steven Litvintchouk MITRE Corporation Burlington Road Bedford, MA 01730 Fone: (617)271-7753 ARPA: sdl@mitre-bedford.arpa UUCP: ...{att,decvax,genrad,ll-xn,philabs,utzoo}!linus!sdl "Those who will be able to conquer software will be able to conquer the world." -- Tadahiro Sekimoto, president, NEC Corp. -- Steven Litvintchouk MITRE Corporation Burlington Road Bedford, MA 01730 Fone: (617)271-7753 ARPA: sdl@mitre-bedford.arpa UUCP: ...{att,decvax,genrad,ll-xn,philabs,utzoo}!linus!sdl "Those who will be able to conquer software will be able to conquer the world." -- Tadahiro Sekimoto, president, NEC Corp.