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From: randolph@ektools.UUCP (Gary L. Randolph)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++
Subject: Re: C++ Not Ready for Commercial Use
Message-ID: <2195@ektools.UUCP>
Date: 19 Oct 89 15:19:27 GMT
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Organization: Eastman Kodak, Dept. 47, Rochester NY
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In article <2169@dataio.Data-IO.COM> bright@dataio.Data-IO.COM (Walter Bright) writes:
>In article <24.UUL1.3#913@acw.UUCP> guthery@acw.UUCP (Scott Guthery) writes:

Several points deleted. 

><     10) There are no industrial grade development, debugging, software
          management, configuration control or program analysis tools for C++.

>Development:	Several quality C++ implementations exist.
Probably true.

>Debugging:	Ditto.
I work with a Sun workstation using a beta version of Sun's C++ 2.0.
dbx and dbxtool don't work on the beta version but I am looking forward
to seeing how well they work in the final product.  At least I wont be 
looking at mangled names!

>SW Managmnt:	Who cares.
My management cares.
This is a biggie.  As a strong proponent of C++ within my company, I would
like to show management that C++ provides an improved way of constructing
software that makes it easier to manage!  Isn't that the raison detre of C++?
Schema management is going to be important to those maintaining C++ code.
OOA and OOD are of a stronger concern to many than is the language issue.
I can convince people that C++ is wonderful in many ways, but that puts the
cart before the horse since analysis and design issues are still somewhat
nebulous.  Where do I send people to learn a *proven* OORA/OOD methodology?

>Config Cntrl:	I use RCS. It works fine.
Good, where can I get info on this?

>Prog Anal:	I always thought that most software metric analysis progs
>		were pretty worthless.
Another biggie.  Though many (not all) metrics are worthless (IMHO), we 
can't give up on measuring productivity accross languages.  I feel that C++ 
would fair well in terms of productivity (especially when class libs are 
abundant) and would like whatever metrics are being used to be able to show 
that fact.

                              Gary Randolph
                              Eastman Kodak