Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!purdue!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!mace.cc.purdue.edu!asd From: asd@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Kareth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple Subject: Re: Apple's committment to the // line Message-ID: <3382@mace.cc.purdue.edu> Date: 20 Oct 89 03:50:12 GMT References: <8910191817.aa04292@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 51 In article <8910191817.aa04292@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> (Mike Aos) writes: >Come on people, it's not like it's a closed system!!!!! The whole philosophy >behind the IIgs is it's expandability!!! I'm going to buy a HD, TWGS, FPE, >Stereo card....I'll prolly fill the thing up. If it had everything I wanted >when I bought it, I COULDN'T have afforded it! As it is, I have a functional Okay, let's take a look at this statement. I'll forget about the HD for right now as Apple probably wouldn't sell that standard with a IIgs anyways (maybe an option tho). TWGS = $294 FPE = $100 (okay, so this might be a bit low, just going for a guess) Stereo = $50-100 (depending on brand) So right there, you have just tacked on almost $500 to the price of the IIgs. Now I figure a FPE would cost more than $100, maybe $200 or so, so you could be talking $600, possibly $700 by the time you pay for taxes/shipping/etc (at an extreme). So, you are pay $600 for stuff that is ALREADY on the motherboard of the IIgs, and a little more. If the IIgs was faster, you wouldn't have to pay for all the extra stuff on the TWGS that is needed to make it go fast. So you could expect a faster IIgs NOT to be $294 more. Maybe $50-100 I'd expect, but not $294. Add stereo (which isn't much), and the price increase is maybe $10-20. FPE, well, THIS if nothing else would add to the price. But the price for a IIgs can't get really too much, it's already priced too high. If it starts getting too high, nobody will buy it, and it'll be out of it's price range for the home market (it probably already is). So, for the price you will pay to upgrade to what you WANT is almost positively going to be less than a IIgs that HAD what you WANTED to BEGIN WITH! I don't think anybody is complaining about it's expandability, but the power that the machine was given for what it is expected to do. Just like the original Mac. It was too little machine for what was wanted out of it. For regular // software, the IIgs is adequate, but NOT for IIgs software. Or at least, not enough to make IIgs software work like how it could! For example, I have AWGS which I do (unlike many others) like, but I hardly ever use it because of it's speed. If Apple is going to make a machine that is going to use/have software like AWGS, or if they want software like that programmed for it, then make a machine that is capable of running it, and running it a LOT more quickly than it does right now. >BTW-I still don't understand why people won't buy an accelerator because the GS >SHOULD be faster. It's NOT! Deal with it! Maybe we believe Apple will come out with an upgrade that will make having an accelerator useless. Or maybe we don't wanna for don't want to fork over $300 for something that SHOULD already be on the motherboard! -kareth.