Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ucsd!cacilj!paul From: paul@cacilj.UUCP (Paul Close) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Re: official tos 1.4 release Message-ID: <1266@cacilj.UUCP> Date: 16 Oct 89 20:06:37 GMT References: <460c4f58.14a1f@force.UUCP> <2097@hudson.acc.virginia.edu> <4634aec9.14a1f@force.UUCP> Reply-To: paul@cacilj.UUCP (Paul Close) Distribution: comp.sys.atari.st Organization: CACI Products Company, La Jolla, CA Lines: 68 In article <4634aec9.14a1f@force.UUCP> covertr@force.UUCP (Richard E. Covert) writes: >The problem Greg is that you just plain and simply can't count on >Atari for support!! If Atari was going to support the ST, why didn't Atari >license GPLUS from Charles Johnson and include it in TOS 1.4?? You still don't get it, do you? Atari is not in the third-party software business. If a third-party product exists, and you like it better, then buy it, use it, and support the third-party developers! Does it matter if you buy GDOS from Atari or buy it from Codehead? You'll pay for it one way or another! "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch". Also, Ken B. from Atari has repeatedly stated that there isn't room in the ROMs for all of these enhancements! If you like NeoDesk, then buy NeoDesk! If you like GPLUS, then buy GPLUS! Just don't expect Atari to buy your software for you and code it into the ROMS! >And Atari didn't even want to admit that there was a bug in the serial >port code in TOS 1.4 until the Canadian hacker showed Atari the actual >bug in the code. Pretty responsive of Atari, huh?? And this is for an OS >that has been under development for 2 years!! After 2 years, you would think >that Atari would have it right!!! Oh my, a bug in RTS/CTS handling! Tsk, tsk. Forget about the zillions of bugs they fixed, forget about the months of development, and focus on one obscure bug. The reason it wasn't fixed, I'm sure, is that none of the developers who beta-tested even *use* RTS/CTS flow control! Why don't you pay up and become a developer? Try working to make the Atari better instead of complaining about how bad it is?!? Go buy an Amiga or something and quit complaining! >Boy, a good outline font system, aka the macintosh system, would really be >great for the ST!! But asking Atari for anything like that is like jumping >to the moon, you'll never get there!! Better yet, go buy a Macintosh, if they're so great! I think you'll find that Apple can afford the huge R&D costs for new fonts with all the money they make off of the Mac! (Warning: there is probably a generalization there somewhere :-) Yes, an outline font would be nice. So make one! >I like the third party support starting to appear for the ST. My favorite >product is the Turbo16 product from FAST TECHNOLOGY. T16 really speeds up >my Mega ST!! It is great!!! I agree. Hurray for the third-party support! Think about it--how much of what's really useful on the IBM-PC is produced *by* IBM? Any of it? >So, lets support the good 3rd party enhancments to the ST and hope that >things will get better IN SPITE OF ATARI!! Wrong. If it wasn't for Atari, we wouldn't have this wonderful machine that truley delivers "power without the price"! When the ST first came out, an 8MHz 68000 was *power*!!! Even today, it is a respectable machine. Ever priced a 25MHz 68030 machine? Come up with a figure a home hobbyist could afford? I didn't think so. >Rich (Proud owner of a souped up T16ed Mega ST4!!) Covert You don't sound very proud to me. I'm not trying to single you out specifically, but I sure get tired of people who think that Atari should do everthing for them. I'm glad there are developers who *do* something to improve the machine, instead of just whine and complain. -- Paul Close paul@cacilj.CTS.COM ...!{uunet, ucsd, crash}!cacilj!paul The Obi-wan Kenobi method: "Use the Source, Luke" -Jim Fulton