Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!uwm.edu!marque!carroll1!dnewton From: dnewton@carroll1.UUCP (Oh for gosh sakes.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Re: official tos 1.4 release Message-ID: <756@carroll1.UUCP> Date: 18 Oct 89 06:04:56 GMT References: <460c4f58.14a1f@force.UUCP> <2097@hudson.acc.virginia.edu> <4634aec9.14a1f@force.UUCP> <1266@cacilj.UUCP> Reply-To: dnewton@carroll1.UUCP (Oh for gosh sakes.) Distribution: comp.sys.atari.st Organization: Carroll College-Waukesha, WI Lines: 80 In article <1266@cacilj.UUCP> paul@cacilj.UUCP (Paul Close) writes: >Just don't expect Atari to buy your software for you and code it >into the ROMS! I don't think we're asking Atari to buy third-party software and burn it--we are asking them for a real _WORKING_ environment. i.e. a move routine would have been nice, and has now been implemented. But why wasn't it in the first place? RTS/CTS bug? Some people might need that. Why release comm warez that are buggy? >Oh my, a bug in RTS/CTS handling! Tsk, tsk. Forget about the zillions of >bugs they fixed, forget about the months of development, and focus on one >obscure bug. The reason it wasn't fixed, I'm sure, is that none of the >developers who beta-tested even *use* RTS/CTS flow control! Doesn't really matter, does it? ATARI sells it, Atari better make sure that it works. Something as significant as this should be caught in alpha. As for the months of development, that goes into any software package meant for general consumption. >Why don't you pay up and become a developer? Try working to make the Atari >better instead of complaining about how bad it is?!? Yeah, I'm sure everyone that finds a bug is a competent enough programmer to develop their own OS patches. Get real. >Go buy an Amiga or something and quit complaining! Ugh. I'd sooner eat camel spit. >>Boy, a good outline font system, aka the macintosh system, would really be >>great for the ST!! But asking Atari for anything like that is like jumping >>to the moon, you'll never get there!! >Better yet, go buy a Macintosh, if they're so great! I think you'll find that >Apple can afford the huge R&D costs for new fonts with all the money they make >off of the Mac! (Warning: there is probably a generalization there >somewhere :-) How hard would it have been? They made a choice (I think the wrong one) and now we have to make up for it with 3rd party. Besides, I hardly think that Apple spent the huge quantities of money for "font development" that you allude to. Most fonts are PD anyway. >Yes, an outline font would be nice. So make one! If it would be so nice, why don't you make one? >I agree. Hurray for the third-party support! Think about it--how much of >what's really useful on the IBM-PC is produced *by* IBM? Any of it? Fortunately no. Whew 8-) >Wrong. If it wasn't for Atari, we wouldn't have this wonderful machine that >truley delivers "power without the price"! When the ST first came out, an >8MHz 68000 was *power*!!! Even today, it is a respectable machine. Ever Well, I don't know about that. I'd almost be certain that someone would have come up with a machine with similar capabilities. IBM hasn't _totally_ destroyed people's creativity yet. >ever priced a 25MHz 68030 machine? Come up with a figure a home hobbyist could >afford? I didn't think so. This is quite irrelevant, as the ST isn't a 68030 machine, nor do they have one shipping yet. What I would suggest is a comparative study of 68000 machine, 80286 machines, and NS32016 machines. I think you'd find there are some very interesting machines in these classes that would lay waste to the Atari at around the same price. _And_ are expandable. >>Rich (Proud owner of a souped up T16ed Mega ST4!!) Covert >You don't sound very proud to me. I'm not trying to single you out Being proud does not mean unlimited support. Indeed no, it means being tough on whatever it is, so you can make it even _better_. -- David L. Newton | dnewton@carroll1.UUCP | The Raging Apostle-- (414) 524-7343 (work) | dnewton@carroll1.cc.edu | for the future-- (414) 524-6809 (home) | 100 NE Ave, Waukesha, WI 53186 | for the world.