Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!mcsun!hp4nl!dutrun!robert From: robert@duttnph.tudelft.nl (Robert de Vries) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Re: Hey Borland, why no Turbo C for US? Message-ID: <946@dutrun.UUCP> Date: 19 Oct 89 09:03:32 GMT References: <21065@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> Sender: tnphnws@dutrun.UUCP Reply-To: robert@duttnph.UUCP (Robert de Vries) Organization: Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands Lines: 57 In article limonce@pilot.njin.net (Tom Limoncelli) writes: >When Borland ported Turbo Pascal to the Mac, they did a real port, >hired 680x0 experts, etc. This "Turbo C for the ST" is a third-party >that made a C compiler for the ST and is having it marketed by Borland >in certain countries. I'm sure this third-party has put a lot of >effort into making it compatible with the MS-DOS "real" Turbo C. The company which sells Turbo C for the ST in Europe was called "Heimsoeth" and NOW calls itself BORLAND GmbH. I assume that Borland in the US does know about it. Secondly the code for the parser on the ST is the same code used for the compiler on the PC. >Now, the eighth-hand information that I've gotten (NOTE: DISCLAIMER: >THIS ISN'T FIRST HAND INFORMATION) is that this third-party ST product >is second rate... or at least it doesn't meet "American standards". OK let's have some "American standards" :-) (this is going to be fun) Laser C Lattice C Word Perfect for the ST (buggy !!!!) All "good ol' American" compilers are inferior to the Turbo C compiler. Not because of the all American parser of Turbo C blows them out of the water, but because the people in Germany have put a considerable amount of effort of making a code generator which produces good and fast code. >If this is true, I'd understand why Borland wouldn't want to get >embarrassed by shipping it here. Maybe because they cannot make such a fine product with a giant staff. > (I am, obviously, writing this from >the states). Then again, maybe they just don't have the (VERY BIG) >staff required to properly support a product. Then again, maybe >they're shooting for a different image than the ST can provide. >Then again, maybe I should stop conjecturing and post this. I am obviously writing from Europe (The Netherlands) and I have the compiler installed on my computer. The only other compiler I sometimes use is Mark Williams C (only for the source level debugger), but when BORLAND GmbH releases the Turbo C source level debugger somewhere at the end of this year, I will also abandon that compiler. I must emphasize that I do not work for Borland in Germany or get any money for this from anyone. The AIM-people bought it for development of the program and it gave the best performance of all C compilers we tested (MWC, Laser C, Megamax C, Lattice C). I am VERY pleased with this product, and I think people in the States should also profit from the excellent software which is developed in other countries. The Atari ST is a very popular computer here and it is somewhat logical that also very much software gets released here. So don't be afraid, pick up the phone, call Borland in Germany, tell them you want their compiler and try it for yourself! The phonenumber is in one of my previous articles. Robert