Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!uwm.edu!gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!bloom-beacon!eru!luth!sunic!mcsun!unido!pcsbst!roland From: roland@pcsbst.UUCP (roland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Re: Hey Borland, why no Turbo C for US? Message-ID: <1111@pcsbst.UUCP> Date: 19 Oct 89 12:11:23 GMT References: <21065@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> Organization: PCS GmbH, Pfaelzer-Wald-Str. 36, 8000 Muenchen; West-Germany Lines: 63 Let me add some corrections & explanations concerning Turbo C ST ( I use it, and I have talked to the people at Borland Germany ) limonce@pilot.njin.net (Tom Limoncelli) writes: >When Borland ported Turbo Pascal to the Mac, they did a real port, >hired 680x0 experts, etc. This "Turbo C for the ST" is a third-party >that made a C compiler for the ST Partly true: TC ST started as a independent developpement, but has been taken over by Borland Germany; at least the stand-alone CPP and the parser part are said to be _now_ (replaced by) direct ports of TC PC. ( You can see this by TC STs ability to (optionally) recognize keywords like 'far' or 'huge'. ) Code generation, editor et. are independent products. >and is having it marketed by Borland in certain countries. Borland is not a single entity: Borland GmbH, the German distributor of Turbo software incl. TC ST, is - I think - quite independent of Borland USA ( they just switched their name, which was "Heimsoeth GmbH" before ). Borland US doesn't make ST software, Borland GmbH does. [ By the way, since TC ST is priced very low, dealers have only a small margin, so they often do not carry it ( or have outdated versions ). I got mine via mailorder ( really: I called them, they _reserved_ my item, so 3 days later(!) I could drop in and fetch it ) from Borland GmbH, and they do international mailorders too. I think there is an english speaking version of program+manual+onlinehelp available. ] >Now, the eighth-hand information that I've gotten (NOTE: DISCLAIMER: >THIS ISN'T FIRST HAND INFORMATION) is that this third-party ST product >is second rate... or at least it doesn't meet "American standards". Nooo. There have been some bugs in version 1.00 - You wouldn't have thought so :-) - but now version 1.10 is out and ok. TC ST is a better compiler than I dared to dream of before! ( Ok, I have some personal objections against their integrated editor, so I don't use it, preferring Tempus instead. ) >Then again, maybe they just don't have the (VERY BIG) >staff required to properly support a product. Then again, maybe >they're shooting for a different image than the ST can provide. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ in the USA ! Remember, there are vast differences in the image the ST got in the US and in Europe: here you find STs almost everywhere in the scientific and technical sector ( see this article about the brand new lab equipment - they use a ST to controll it; see the picture of the famous Prof. VeryImportant at his working place - and the ST on his desk; GEC recently proudly presented their new LCD car display showing a digitized odometer - but what are those little drawer icons near the left edge :-) You get the picture. I know that You believe You understand what You think I said, but I'm not sure You realize that what You heard is not what I meant. Roland Rambau rra@cochise.pcs.com, {unido|pyramid}!pcsbst!rra, 2:507/414.2.fidonet