Path: utzoo!attcan!telly!lethe!torsqnt!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!accuvax.nwu.edu!tank!mimsy!tove.umd.edu!folta From: folta@tove.umd.edu (Wayne Folta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: MacPortable has non-ISO keyboard layout Summary: ISO sounds terrible! Keywords: ADB keyboard ISO standard option doubble command keys Message-ID: <19748@mimsy.UUCP> Date: 22 Sep 89 15:11:42 GMT References: <1738@draken.nada.kth.se> Sender: nobody@mimsy.UUCP Reply-To: folta@tove.umd.edu.UUCP (Wayne Folta) Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, GS Lines: 40 " ... both of them in fact. The current arrow-key layout of non-extended " keyboards with horizontal placement for the left and right-direction " keys, vertical for the up/ down-movement ones has been replaced by a " single line of four arrow keys in a row, below the (now larger) " rightmost shift key. ... " " The key seems also to have been moved from the present (on my " Swedish SE keyboard) position in the lower left corner up to a level " above the shift key, switching positions with the caps-lock key. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " Though the latter's relative importance (based on frequency of usage) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " in no way matches its normal, prime position nor the physical size - ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " usually larger than the shift key - its replacement is another ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " needlessly reintroduced step backwards as far as I am concerned. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " Besides that, the key's ISO-defined, usual placement at the " very physically-felt boundary of the keyboard rectangle makes it more " easily accessible than from the new position above the left shift key. " I was wondering where IBM got the weird keyboard layout for their PS/2s! I guess that they are ISO-compliant. If you admit that the Caps Lock key is way oversized and much too prominent, while the Control Key is much more used, then why is a sane Control Key placement/size a step backwards? I believe that all of the keyboards that I have used in the last five years have the Control above the shift. Placing the Control so far from the home keys is a real pain for me. Especially since I don't tend to touch type editor control sequences. Anyhow, the keyboard layout you describe sounds exactly like the one I have on my SE. It is evidently the US version of Apple's Standard Keyboard. Wayne Folta (folta@tove.umd.edu 128.8.128.42)