Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!hplabs!pyramid!csg From: csg@pyramid.pyramid.com (Carl S. Gutekunst) Newsgroups: comp.sys.pyramid Subject: Re: Upgrade to 5.0 Message-ID: <87546@pyramid.pyramid.com> Date: 13 Oct 89 15:12:24 GMT References: <9694@blia.BLI.COM> Reply-To: csg@pyramid.pyramid.com (Carl S. Gutekunst) Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA Lines: 33 >We have a bottom of the line 90x processor. Our operations folks have >been told by RTOC that in order to upgrade to Os 5.0 we cannot have an >8Mhz processor and would need to upgrade to a 10Mhz processor. Does anyone >know why an operating system cares how fast the processor is running? OSx 5.0 includes significant changes both to the OS and the compilers. There are instructions, instruction sequences, and memory utilization patterns that have never been generated before. The worry is that the very oldest machines (> 4 years) weren't subjected to the rigorous margining of the later systems, and old stable machines have been known to suddenly "break" when handled output from a new compiler. Note that the 10Mhz systems represented much more than an increase in clock speed; many little changes were made that resulted in the whole system being more tolerant as it aged. Hardware bugs were fixed, too. We had quite a tussle over this. Some folks -- particularly former customers, like me -- insisted that it was a bad thing to make customers upgrade old 90x systems that worked perfectly well. And fact is, your old 90x *might* run OSx 5.0 without any problems. Might. But Field Engineering thinks it's a fair bet that it won't, and they've got the experience to know. A final problem: we have only one 90x systems left in R&D, and it's still on OSx 4.4. This makes it tough for us to QA to software. :-( Anyone know if Ultrix 3.0 is supported on a VAX 11/780? :-) I heard something about an incentive program to make upgrades to the faster systems reasonably priced. You'll have to talk to your salescritter. It's well worth it, anyway. The difference between the 8MHz and 10MHz systems is much more noticable than you'd think.