Xref: utzoo news.admin:7320 news.groups:13576 Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!cwjcc!hal!ncoast!allbery From: allbery@NCoast.ORG (Brandon S. Allbery) Newsgroups: news.admin,news.groups Subject: Re: These new voting schemes Message-ID: <1989Oct24.013625.20674@NCoast.ORG> Date: 24 Oct 89 01:36:25 GMT References: <4771@ncar.ucar.edu> <15249.253f3716@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> <37123@looking.on.ca> <2970@splut.conmicro.com> Reply-To: allbery@ncoast.ORG (Brandon S. Allbery) Followup-To: news.admin Organization: North Coast Public Access UN*X, Cleveland, OH Lines: 37 As quoted from <2970@splut.conmicro.com> by jay@splut.conmicro.com (Jay "you ignorant splut!" Maynard): +--------------- | In article <37123@looking.on.ca> brad@looking.on.ca (Brad Templeton) writes: | >All of the proposals share another major fault: complexity. | >I firmly maintain the guidelines have to be made shorter, not longer. | | Both pre-votes and naming czars will increase complexity, and they have | their own problems: pre-voting will drag out an already lengthy process, | and name czars will be subject to their own set of flames. +--------------- What, precisely, is wrong with a longer process? alt.all can be used for "quick-pop" (and, occasionally, quick-fizzle) newsgroups like alt.fusion and the recent alt.quake; the mainstream Usenet can put up with a longer process in order to get it *right*. I personally think that a good idea would be a combination scheme: a pre-vote on the name, with names *suggested* by a core group of "name czars" -- only they won't be czars, because their choices will be non-binding; other names can be proposed in the name vote. But in any case, *none* of the schemes really deal with the sci.aquaria debacle; people who explicitly declare that they want a specific name in order to defeat backbones' unwillingness to carry a specific group are clearly abusing the system as badly as the spurious "comp.protocols.tcp-ip.eniac" vote did. Unfortunately, the only solutions to such abuse of the system would abuse it even more, by effectively ending the largely anarchistic nature of the Usenet. (To a lesser extent, similar things are going on in the even-more- anarchist alt hierarchy, concerning alt.sources.) ++Brandon -- Brandon S. Allbery, moderator of comp.sources.misc allbery@NCoast.ORG uunet!hal.cwru.edu!ncoast!allbery ncoast!allbery@hal.cwru.edu bsa@telotech.uucp 161-7070 (MCI), ALLBERY (Delphi), B.ALLBERY (GEnie), comp-sources-misc@backbone [comp.sources.misc-related mail should go ONLY to comp-sources-misc@] *Third party vote-collection service: send mail to allbery@uunet.uu.net (ONLY)*