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From: bsp@hpfibsp.HP.COM (Bruce Spence)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Re: pet birds that have the fly of the house
Message-ID: <17800010@hpfibsp.HP.COM>
Date: 16 Oct 89 19:26:21 GMT
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>From: sandra@pyrtech (Sandra Macika)
>Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1989 18:39:07 GMT
>Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
>Newsgroups: rec.birds
>
>All this bird clipping, pooping, caging, etc. talk does not belong in
>rec.birds. Go to rec.pets please.
>
>Thanks,
>Sandra


$FLAME_ON$

  And this kind of authoritarian notes policing does not belong on notes at all.

  Sandra, there is no reasonable basis for this, especially in view of the
recent rational discussions of the content of this notes group.  The
institution of notes/news is evolutionary and dynamic as are most (all?)
human institutions, so references to old notesgroup charters are not awfully
useful, either.  This discussion is now as appropriate here as anywhere;
dictatorial commands are not.

$FLAME_OFF$


  On the subject of the basenote:  Our three bird friends (a cockatiel, a
green-cheek conure and a white-front amazon) are all fully flighted by our
conscious decision.  They are caged when we are away, and are closely
supervised when out. (Sometimes I wonder who is supervising whom! ;-} )
The green-cheek flies very little, and then only short distances;  I suspect
s/he would suffer little from *being* clipped.  One of the main reasons for
not doing so is the trauma associated with the clipping process.  I am
unwilling to put my friends through this.
  The cockatiel, on the other hand, being a nomadic beast by nature, flies a
great deal and seems to love it.  I would hate to take this away from him
once he has gotten used to it.  The amazon has just recently gotten his flight
feathers fully in, and is discovering flying, especially to find one of us
when out of the room momentarily.  This has provided a lot of enjoyment for
all of us, and seems to be positively impacting our bonding, particularly with
my wife.
  I wouldn't imply that this is necessarily the 'right' way (I am coming to
doubt that there is one) but I believe it is right for us.

                                Bruce Spence
                                Hewlett-Packard, Colorado IC Division
			        Fort Collins, Colorado
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