Xref: utzoo sci.bio:2404 sci.chem:572 sci.med:12976 Newsgroups: sci.bio,sci.chem,sci.med Path: utzoo!snell From: snell@utzoo.uucp (snell) Subject: Re: PAM propellant Message-ID: <1989Oct16.145131.13913@utzoo.uucp> Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Date: Mon, 16 Oct 89 14:51:31 GMT In article <3446@kitty.UUCP>, larry@kitty.UUCP (Larry Lippman) writes: # #> >Ok. Here is what is on a can of PAM for sale in Toronto, in the #> >ingredients list. Sounds delicious ;-). #> >| Ingredients: #> >| trichlorofluoromethane.... #> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ #> Excuse me, are these statements compatible? Trichlorofluoromethane is about #> as prototypical a chlorofluorocarbon as there is. Canadians have a lot of #> nerve complaining about acid rain if they still haven't banned CFC's in #> such products. # # I am just as surprised as you are, since it is my understanding #that Canada banned CFC's as propellants some time ago. # In fact, I was surprised too, when I read the label prior to posting the list of ingredients. As government offices had closed by then, I could not follow it up until today. Seems the CFC ban in Canada of 10 years ago was restricted to "personal care products" such as deodorants, hairspray and similar items. Apparently most aerosol food items (like cooking oil) were converted voluntarily by industry to non-CFC propellants years ago. From an industry perspective, one of the trade-offs is that while CFC's are more expensive than the alternatives, they are far less inflammable (this ignores the environmental damage issue). The persons I spoke to today at Environment Canada (federal) and the Ontario Ministry of Environment (provincial) argued that the 10 yr old legislation covered 90% of applications. Regardless, additional regulation was passed (though only this past summer) at both federal and provincial levels extending the CFC ban to "about 90% of remaining products" including foodstuffs. This was passed on July 1, and comes into effect December 31 of this year. Pam can still be manufactured with CFC propellant until then, and apparently the stock manufactured up to that point will be sold. Rather poor show, I would say. As well, the CFC ban remains incomplete. Apparently various drug and pharmaceutical companies which use aerosol propellants in their products will still be allowed to use CFC's. It was suggested to me by the environment office `spokespersons' that there currently are "no acceptable alternatives" for such products, but that "industry would be encouraged to develop them." This all begs the question of whether the CFC ban in the USA is really 100% or whether certain `special cases' continue to be allowed, as evidently is the case here in Canada. As well, there is the question of non\-propellant use of CFC's. For instance a `correction fluid' for typists called `LIQUID PAPER' would appear to contain such products. In two bottles I just picked up in our storeroom here, are slightly different labels: 1) Contains: Chlorinated solvent(s) and, 2) Content: 1.1.1Trichloroethane Clearly when this stuff evaporates and dries on the page, these solvents are released. Can you buy LIQUID PAPER in the USA? Do they say what is in it? -- Name: Richard Snell Mail: Dept. Zoology, Univ. Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5S 1A1 UUCP: uunet!attcan!utzoo!snell BITNET: snell@zoo.utoronto.ca