Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!snorkelwacker!bloom-beacon!eru!luth!sunic!tut!jr67960 From: jr67960@tut.fi (J Rantala) Newsgroups: sci.electronics Subject: input device Message-ID: <2300@tutor.tut.fi> Date: 20 Oct 89 19:34:49 GMT Sender: jr67960@tut.fi Reply-To: jr67960@tut.fi (jr67960@tut.funet uunet!mcvax!tut!jr67960) Organization: U of Tech at Tampere, SF (_I am responsible of my words) (Home) Lines: 101 (This is not really my business, but I let it go anyway. Sorry if mis-spelling english.) Sorry if You think that this is a wrong newsgroup to this article. Just a little background first. I read one article (from an unrelated newsgroup), where some person was searching a math program, which would be easy to use, "better than paper and pencil" (with drawing capabilities). I can't be absolutely sure, what that person accurately meant, but that did bring to my mind the question of input devices to a computer system. I guess there is many things which are not very easy to do with current input devices (mouse, digitab's and what ever there is), such as free-hand writing(!), _painting especially, and other such type works which require very rapid but accurate() movements. I suppose that a system which would consist of a flat screen with an extrenal (without connecting wibers) "pencil" would be rather good, if the flat screen would have hard covered front of it, so that it would be possible to put it down above the table (where Your keyboard is just now). Why(?), since then it would be possible to use it like normal book and paper/pencil...(*) Well, yes, there does exist "light pen" -like systems, but they are always restrected to have physical connection (wire) to the other parts of the system. In addition, they have a few restrictions to the addressing methods used in the main display, and they are, basically, not quick enough (as far as I know). Thus, I became interested, whether there exist any other way to catch down the position of the pen-like input device. In order to gain higher speeds and other properties, I guess, it should (please note that, I might be talking about something which does already exist, but anyway I haven't heard/seen any such) be independent of the main display, but still possible to see thrue it (since it must be directly above the main display). But then there should be some other methods to catch the position, than those various infrared beam systems, since it should be possible to cover the transparent input device by whatever, without causing any random input signals, together with great accuracy. One possibility might be, I suppose, if there would be any way to cause e.g. a delay to a bypassing current signal when there is a normal network of crossing lines, vertical and horizontal lines being separately driven (independently of each other), since then the driving of the network would be very easy (requiring only one delay port&diode per line) having only two input/output lines. The point is, then, does there exist any such electrical effect (commonly known), which can be produced via e.g. presence of external magnetic field or low level heat or other such way, so that the resulting effect to the electrical properties of that wire, made from appropriate material, would be momentarily measurable in a given position. I guess those materials used with ferroelectric/electrochromic/cathodochromic or other variative display systems might be just a little interesting. If that is not possible, I guess the other way around might be the use of (digital type) switches (color-LCD) in the place of above line, if it can be configured so that external field can switch it off and back on, using appropriate barriers. (*): The pointing device itself should have, in order to be usable, a way to give "glitches" to a program, thus the effect should be capable to handle different types of external field signals (the pen having, in addition, on/off property (it's not enough to just take it away from the panel)) in a form of different strength or so. However, that's not needed. It might be useful at least in character recognition (from free hand-text in the moment when it is written down, since if the way by which a character is written is known, it might be easier to differentiate between characters (relative to one person in a given time: some people like better to write down with ordinary pen than to use keyboards, some of them being capable to write down quicker than typewriting with a keyboard)). Thus the same input device might possibly be used in the place of keyboard. I know that there is much momenta against that, since the current way of thinking seems to be to get as far from the "old" styles of producing output (pencil, paper, etc.) as though it would be the _only "intelligent" way. In a huge number of cases it is. But still, the most natural (and productive) way to produce anything (in the case of human output in this era) is the case when the position of the human hand and the look of the eyes will match in the same place (not really, but in a brutal and violetive way it can be said); with the mouse and keyboard system, you can't always do your job with best benefit, at least since you must use many devices and step between them. What a story.. -j rantala 5[%c\2[(7 jr67960@tut.FI (INTERNET or UUCP or FUNET or BITNET or EARN) funet:jr67960@tut.FI (ELISA-post) ttkklk::tutor::jr67960 (DECnet) (%244231*) Official mail: '... sending out the message in a bottle ...'