Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!uwm.edu!gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!att!cbnews!military From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: M16 Rifle Message-ID: <10405@cbnews.ATT.COM> Date: 20 Oct 89 01:41:59 GMT Sender: military@cbnews.ATT.COM Lines: 41 Approved: military@att.att.com From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) >From: raymond@io.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man) > I remember from read Profile that a large part of the >initial problem with the M16 was the switch by the ammo supplier >to a powder of a different specification.... The switch was not the supplier's idea; it was ordered by the Army. And the Army being the lead service for the M-16, the other services had to go along, despite loud protests from the USAF that the new powder ruined the rifle's reliability. Which it did, because the Army standard powder produced much more residue than the powder the rifle was designed for. Of course, nobody asked Stoner his opinion about the change until the decision was already made. >...The problem was pretty much cured >when the right kind of powder was prescribed... Can you cite a reference for this? My understanding is that the problem has *never* been cured because the powder has *not* been changed back. Various other little changes, and heavy emphasis on cleaning, have only controlled the problem somewhat. >But still the >mechanism is kind of delicate and a lot of TLC is needed to presuade >the M16 to work properly... Stoner's original AR-15 consistently demonstrated reliability superior to that of the Army's operational rifles, e.g. the M-14. When used with the powder it was designed for, it didn't need TLC. >... extended operation in eg. humid Vietnam jungles >is the limus test. It seems AK's had a far better reputation than the M16. Remember, the M-16 was adopted not because the Army wanted it, but because the AR-15's performance *in Vietnam* was so spectacular that everyone was screaming for more of them. But of course, it had to be "improved" first... Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu