Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!cs.utexas.edu!ginosko!usc!orion.oac.uci.edu!uci-ics!tittle From: bloch%mandrill@ucsd.EDU (Steve Bloch) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: Feminism is a fine word, thank you Message-ID: <7214@sdcsvax.UCSD.Edu> Date: 13 Oct 89 21:47:12 GMT References: <1880@convex.UUCP> <851@uvaarpa.virginia.edu> <4504@ncar.ucar.edu> <4414@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> Sender: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle) Reply-To: Steve Bloch Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 34 Approved: tittle@ics.uci.edu Gordon Fitch (gcf@frith.UUCP) says: >Once feminism casts aside its ideology, >it becomes just one more group-interest movement, and the >men ask with reason why they should support it to their own >apparent disadvantage. Exactly! If all the movement is after is "a bigger slice of the pie", it's not very interesting, and those of us who, by virtue of having Y chromosomes, have a bigger slice of the pie now, have no reason whatsoever to support it. Indeed, many of those without Y chromosomes (the more intellectual and objective ones) are liable to lose interest too. We have to make a different claim, to wit: we're going to make the world a better place for PEOPLE to live. vicki@mathcs.emory.edu (Vicki Powers) writes: >But isn't ending discrimination against women in MEN's interest as well? >Wouldn't the world be a better place for most MEN if there were no >discrimination against women? ... >It's been said before, but worth saying again : Life is not a zero-sum >game!!! One group of people can make gains without hurting the gains of >other groups. Amen. The world would be a better place for me if I could get off the bus at the same stop as a young woman I just met without her getting worried I was a rapist. The world would be a better place for me if the number of women in my academic/professional circles approximated the number of men. The world would be a better place for me if all the talents and perspectives of the female half of the race were being put to use in more important ways than taking dictation. "It's a long, long, lonely ride To find the perfect lover for your lover..." -- Jane Siberry bloch%cs@ucsd.edu