Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!shadooby!ginosko!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!psuvax1!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: zach@drutx.att.com (Zach Lewis) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: law and love, again Message-ID: Date: 13 Oct 89 06:48:36 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO Lines: 92 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article , mls@cbnewsm.att.com (Mike Siemon) writes: > > "You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, > and the LORD your God brought you out thence with a mighty hand > and an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you > to keep the sabbath day." [Deuteronomy 6:15] > I see God saying again that the Sabbath show that you believe I am your God. Do we worship a different God than the Jews in the Bible ? You do but who is the god of sunday ? I don't find one in the Bible ? > > The sabbath, however and whenever observed, is no part of God's will if it > is observed *against* mankind. The sabbath was made for us (for rest and > recollection of deliverance) and not us for the sabbath. I agree and that was what Jesus tryied to show the Jews that the Sabbath is a day for helping to free people for pain and suffering and sin . > > + I simply want to stand up and show that there are solid scriptural grounds > + for the stand that we take. Where are the Text that we should worship on Sunday ? Give me one text that says remember the 1st day to keep it HOLY ? Just one ? or may you think the Lord's day is Sunday too read Mark 2:28 Jesus is LORD OF SABBATH THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH !!! Clear or am I reading into the text like you ? > > Unless you are a Jew, I think those "solid grounds" are quicksand; and even for > the Jew it seems to me to be a very weak foundation if the Jew happens also to > be Christian. Is Galatians 3:28,29 that confusing THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE !!! >A new covenant abrogates the old one, and trying to bring the >old one back in by exegesis is dangerous, because for those who live in Christ, > the old law is dead. I may no longer rely on "I did right; it says so here in > the book" but must always act in love, and constrained only by love. > -- > Michael L. Siemon Please Read through the book of Hebrews and understand what is the old covenant ! In Hebrews you find that the SAME GOSPEL WAS PREACHED TO MOSES AND THE JEWS ! There is no OLD and NEW gospel only one salvation with faith in Jesus alone. The JEWS were NOT SAVED BY WORKS ? please read and understand that we are ALL SAVE BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS ALONE ! Hebrews shows clearly that the old covenant dealt with the sacrifical services not the 10 commandments ? but the lamb, bulls, and doves the day of atonement and all of those things. Please stay in the Bible and don't say you have clear Bible evidence and don't list one text that makes sunday holy or even suggest that the we should go to a church. If I take your point of view than the Bible does not support any day or any rule for going to church, but one little text in Hebrews that you can make say go to church sometime but not every week. An why don't churches have church every day and not force people to come on Sunday to hear a sermon if the day does not matter why do you stop at Sunday ? I know why I worship on Sabbath and that is because you can show clearly from the Bible that the 7th day was blessed and made Holy no other day can you say that for and find a text in the Bible. Also God does not want us to be confused so He said remember also ? It is your choice and you now have more Bible evidence (the book HEBREWS) God will judge you on want you did with this evidence ! Zac ** Man's word or God's which is it and then think it through ** ** If it does not matter WHY GO **