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From: cambler@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Fubar)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.sys.ibm.pc
Subject: Re: Waffle PC<->Usenet
Message-ID: <1989Oct30.015539.27779@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU>
Date: 30 Oct 89 01:55:39 GMT
References: <3618@amelia.nas.nasa.gov> <0929891056249703@thelake.UUCP> <3619@amelia.nas.nasa.gov>
Reply-To: cambler@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Fubar)
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dell@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (Thomas E. Dell) slinks:
>thelake!steve writes:
>I stand corrected. However, I found neither Ufgate nor Citadel were enough
>to suite my needs - DOS *and* Unix, and operation as a single user station
>to send/receive news and mail. However, this discussion has come up a number
>of times in the last 6 months, and repeatedly the answers have been "ufgate"
>and "fsuucp" (or "xbbs" and "akcs" on the other side of things).

While fsuucp is still not complete, I feel that your remarks are a bit off
the mark. What you say Waffle (that's what it's called, yes?) does, fsuucp
does as well...

including support for compressed batch, batch, and single article, as well
as interfacing with the editor of your choice.

>The DOS version uses a DCP derived uucico, and that portion *IS* free
>(I saw no point in reinventing the wheel). 

I had wished to so this as well, but the 1 window version i tried as WAY
too slow, and as has been mentioned had error recovery bugs. THIS i understnad,
as my current version STILL has a few. If they ever get around to accepting
Zmodem for uucp as is being discussed, it will make MY life a bit easier...

>Waffle is an alternative for those who
>
>  - want a single user UUCP mail/news station

fsuucp does this...

>  - need a clean Usenet interface under DOS 

fsuucp does this. Grant, versions A and B had bugs in the usenet reader, but
I am directing most of my efforts into the actual protocol driver (the uucico
portion). The version C news interface is currently undergoing private beta
testing on my BBS.

>  - run XBBS under Xenix but want something different

Ahh, now you have a point here. Yes, fsuucp is NOT for {xe|u}nix. It's for PC
users who want mail and news.

However, it's also for BBS operators who want Usenet on their boards. It
comes with 2 utility programmes, "batcher.exe" and "expire.exe" which do
most of the work for you. If you have a BBS that allows you to shell out
to external programmes, and works under FOSSIL, fsuucp will work for you
now. If you don't, then fsbbs has all the interfaces, and is written to
work with the fsuucp package (it comes with fsuucp, really) to give PC
BBS sysops usenet news, AND a uucp mailer that their users can use just
like local mail.

Really, what i see here is a bunch of projects that do basically the same
thing, but in a different way. It's not a questions of what's better, but
of what works for you...

Disclaimers: version C fsuucp is under construction.
             version 2.0A of fsbbs is under beta testing, and is an open
             system for looking around. The info is in Computer Shopper,
	     and the # is in my sig. 300/1200/2400. Please note that it is
	     set up as a BBS, and there is activity on it from the local
	     Jr. High modem gangs... they seem to love the "anonymous" feature
	     in the message bases :-)

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