Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!watmath!looking!brad From: brad@looking.on.ca (Brad Templeton) Newsgroups: news.admin Subject: Is USENET stagnating? Message-ID: <40056@looking.on.ca> Date: 29 Oct 89 02:15:26 GMT Organization: Looking Glass Software Limited, Waterloo ON Lines: 69 Class: proposal USENET is perhaps the world's largest computer conferencing network, and I've been on it almost since the beginning. At the start, USENET was a bold and successful experiment in human-computer networking. I think that field is one of the world's most exiting -- the cutting edge of the story of society and technology. As such, as with the hardware and software industries, we should be watching a whirlwind of change. But we're not. Recently I've had to ask, "what's new in USENET?" It's not that there's nothing, but all I can say is that it's a slight breeze and not a whirlwind. In particular, what's new in a networking sense? There have been some new readers recently, and new net software for new machines, but they only change one person's view of the net, unless they get real wide acceptance. And many of the recent developments, such as C news, don't attempt to do anything new. It's highly useful to have the same thing done much faster (I make my living from that, after all) but it doesn't change what the net is. The "References:" and "Supersedes:" fields were implemented over 4 years ago, but they still can't be used. Indeed, change in the netwide transport mechanism seems impossible. RN changed the net a fair bit, but it's over 4 years old now too. 4 years is a lifetime in software. The basic inews tools and their format aren't a lot different from their origins 8 years ago! TMN has some interesting ideas, but it has yet to have any impact on the net. The only significant thing I can point to of late is NNTP. On LANS, NNTP has no effect on the net, other than letting clients save disk space. As a transmission mechanism, it has not had a direct affect. Instead, its effect comes in tandem with NSF's funding of the internet, and the vastly reduced transmission times that come with it. So what is new? I like to think I'm doing new things, with stuff like an ultra-moderated newsgroup, electronic publishing, fancy feed/filtering tools and classification tools. But I can't deny that many of these things are not truly new. Hell, you could read UPI on "The Source" when it opened up in 1978. Better article classification has existed on other nets for some time, too. The only thing that really distinguishes USENET these days is the strongly moderated group. Most other nets don't have that, or don't use it much. (No surprise, on things like CIS the people pay to post, and hardly want to write things to have a moderator toss it away.) But this idea is just an evolution of something that existed on the ARPANET in the 70s. We're going into the 90s now. Much of the "news" on USENET these days isn't about revolution in computer networking. It's about whether aquariums are hobby or science. Or about what new tweak should be made to newsgroup creation rules. Now the object of this article is not to have everybody list some minor new thing that's happened to USENET. I want to find out why we aren't watching *major* changes, and why we aren't watching a lot of them. And what we can do about it. I do know one reason, and it comes from my own experience as (I think) one of the few people to try to do completely new things in this network environment. You get pointlessly flamed whenever you try to innovate. People have forgotten what USENET should be about. USENET is about *doing* things in computer networking. Not thinking up arguments why people shouldn't do them. -- Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Waterloo, Ontario 519/884-7473