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From: greg@lawnet.LawNet.Com (Gregory G. Petersen)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: clarinet??????
Message-ID: <333@lawnet.LawNet.Com>
Date: 26 Oct 89 02:42:16 GMT
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Reply-To: greg@.LawNet.Com (Gregory G. Petersen)
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In article <2962@splut.conmicro.com> jay@splut.conmicro.com (Jay "you ignorant splut!" Maynard) writes:
>> Am I amazed to see that clarinet is now on the network with its comeerical 
>>venture? No -- what I am is angry that it is here. When Brad decided to
>>announce this idea on the net many of us said this would happen and
>>we were told that it would not.  The question is "now what"?  I
>>am deleting his newsgroups from this system and I suggest that is the
>>only way to keep him off the net with clarinet!
>
>
>ClariNet is *not* on the regular Usenet. He is, instead, providing a
>sample of his service on the (parallel) Biznet - the biz.* hierarchies.

WRONG!  If that were the case I would not complain. It is clari - not biz.clari
that I am complaining about.
>That's the kind of thing that biz.* is for - business ventures. If Brad
>wanted to take eeeeeeeeeevil commercial advantage of the net, all he'd
>need to do would have been to make it alt.clarinet.sample. Instead, he
>followed the rules, and made appropriate use of an available facility.

Show me the rules that he followed. I am not aware that alt.* is a normal
usenet hierarchy.
I recall that most groups created on the network are usually voted on. That
is the rule that I am used to following. I don;t remember any vote for
what Brad did OUTSIDE the biz. groups -- thats my complaint. It seems
that he just decided to send out the create group message and create it without
any vote at all -- is that compliance with the rules?


>
>Brad is *not* using the Usenet to distribute his service, except for
>links between two systems who are both his customers, and have agreed to
>use the link for that purpose.

If that is true what is the /usr/spool/news/junk filing up with clari.* files
for on this system??? We never asked for the stuff and clari. is not
a usenet hierarchy to my knowledge.

>
>If you think that commercial use of the net is eeeeeeeevil, then I
>suggest you get your upstream feeds to not send you the entire biz.*
>hierarchy - for that's what it's there for.

REPEATING -- I don't get biz.clari - I get clari. [note the absence of biz.
in the front of the clari.]

As to "commercial use" of the net that is common place in some degree for
everyone on the net. To use the net as advertising medium or to carry
on a constant business venture is a different matter altogether.

PS -- your correction message saying that the group you are talking about
is "biz.clari" is another matter altogether. biz.clari does not get to this
system so your follow up does not alter the complaint that I have, to wit:
that .clari exists. Limited to biz.clari would not bother me and would 
be an optional hieracry.

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