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From: jay@splut.conmicro.com (Jay "you ignorant splut!" Maynard)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: clarinet??????
Message-ID: <2986@splut.conmicro.com>
Date: 27 Oct 89 00:05:37 GMT
References: <331@lawnet.LawNet.Com> <2962@splut.conmicro.com> <333@lawnet.LawNet.Com>
Reply-To: jay@splut.conmicro.com (Jay "you ignorant splut!" Maynard)
Organization: Confederate Microsystems, League City, TX
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In article <333@lawnet.LawNet.Com> greg@.LawNet.Com (Gregory G. Petersen) writes:
>Show me the rules that he followed. I am not aware that alt.* is a normal
>usenet hierarchy.
>I recall that most groups created on the network are usually voted on. That
>is the rule that I am used to following. I don;t remember any vote for
>what Brad did OUTSIDE the biz. groups -- thats my complaint. It seems
>that he just decided to send out the create group message and create it without
>any vote at all -- is that compliance with the rules?

That's only true for comp.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.*, misc.*, and rec.* -
the mainstream Usenet. Groups starting with those names are subject to
the normal rules you refer to.
Groups which aren't part of those hierarchies follow different rules
specific to each hierarchy: gnu.*, for example, gets a new group each
time there's a new gnu mailing list, and Karl Kleinpaste creates them
automatically. alt.* is the anarchy/flamefest we all know and love.
clari.* is Brad's private domain, where he can do as he pleases - since
the only people who are supposed to receive it are his customers.

Brad had to adopt a separate hierarchy name to allow use of the standard
news software to distribute his product. This does _*NOT*_ mean that
he's using the Usenet.

>If that is true what is the /usr/spool/news/junk filing up with clari.* files
>for on this system??? We never asked for the stuff and clari. is not
>a usenet hierarchy to my knowledge.

If you are getting clari.* files that are _not_ crossposted to
biz.clarinet.sample, then someone upstream of you is leaking ClariNet.
Find out who and send Brad some proof - there's money in it for you.

That is, if you're not too proud to take money from an eeeeeeeeeeeeevil
commercial venture.

>As to "commercial use" of the net that is common place in some degree for
>everyone on the net. To use the net as advertising medium or to carry
>on a constant business venture is a different matter altogether.

Brad's using the news software, and some news links - but, by contract
with his customers, only those where sites at both ends of the link are
ClariNet subscribers. That's _not_ using the net as advertising medium
or business venture.

>PS -- your correction message saying that the group you are talking about
>is "biz.clari" is another matter altogether. biz.clari does not get to this
>system so your follow up does not alter the complaint that I have, to wit:
>that .clari exists. Limited to biz.clari would not bother me and would 
>be an optional hieracry.

How do you know that it's not biz.clarinet.sample? Post a header from
one of the myriad articles in junk that doesn't have biz.clarinet.sample
in the Newsgroups: header.

Clari.* is not part of the Usenet, and therefore is not subject to its
rules. You should never see it. If you are, independently of
biz.clarinet.sample, then someone upstream of you is screwing up, and
violating their contract with ClariNet Communications Corp. in the
process. Your wrath is best directed at them, not Brad Templeton.

-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL   | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jay@splut.conmicro.com       (eieio)| adequately be explained by stupidity.
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