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From: allbery@NCoast.ORG (Brandon S. Allbery)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: clarinet??????
Message-ID: <1989Oct29.175803.10080@NCoast.ORG>
Date: 29 Oct 89 17:58:03 GMT
References: <331@lawnet.LawNet.Com> <2962@splut.conmicro.com> <333@lawnet.LawNet.Com>
Reply-To: allbery@ncoast.ORG (Brandon S. Allbery)
Followup-To: news.sysadmin
Organization: North Coast Public Access UN*X, Cleveland, OH
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As quoted from <333@lawnet.LawNet.Com> by greg@lawnet.LawNet.Com (Gregory G. Petersen):
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| In article <2962@splut.conmicro.com> jay@splut.conmicro.com (Jay "you ignorant splut!" Maynard) writes:
| >ClariNet is *not* on the regular Usenet. He is, instead, providing a
| >sample of his service on the (parallel) Biznet - the biz.* hierarchies.
| 
| Show me the rules that he followed. I am not aware that alt.* is a normal
| usenet hierarchy.
| I recall that most groups created on the network are usually voted on. That
| is the rule that I am used to following. I don;t remember any vote for
| what Brad did OUTSIDE the biz. groups -- thats my complaint. It seems
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The Usenet is composed of the top-level newsgroups:

	news
	misc
	rec
	sci
	talk
	comp
	soc

and their component newsgroups.  *All* other top-level hierarchies are
available for other uses; thus, we have biz, alt, bionet, u3b, unix-pc...
and, yes, clari and probably imn.  So?

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| If that is true what is the /usr/spool/news/junk filing up with clari.* files
| for on this system??? We never asked for the stuff and clari. is not
| a usenet hierarchy to my knowledge.
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Precisely.  Nobody voted on u3b.all, either.  Or alt.all.

If you are getting clari.all, find out what system is sending it to you (check
/usr/lib/news/log, assuming you aren't running C news) and inform the sysadmin
that he is violating his license with ClariNet.  You should also inform Brad
that the sysadmin is violating the license.

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| REPEATING -- I don't get biz.clari - I get clari. [note the absence of biz.
| in the front of the clari.]
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Fine -- your newsfeed is doing the equivalent of sending you System V source
code via news.  Would you blame AT&T for that?

REPEATING -- clari.all is NOT a Usenet hierarchy, and if you are getting it
without specific arrangement with ClariNet then SOMEONE IS BREAKING THE LAW,
because ClariNet is a commercial service.

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| PS -- your correction message saying that the group you are talking about
| is "biz.clari" is another matter altogether. biz.clari does not get to this
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That was mine; I had forgotten that both existed.  Which is completely beside
the point.  Anyone has the right to create their own top-level hierarchy and
find a site willing to carry it; in the case of clari.all, nobody has the
right to feed clari.all to anyone else without specific arrangements with both
ClariNet and the receiving system(s).

Flame your newsfeed.  Not Brad, not ClariNet, and not us.

++Brandon
Disclaimer: no relation to, and no interest in, ClariNet; but definitely
involved with the Usenet and trying to explain what it is -- and is not.
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>>>	 Shall we try for comp.protocols.tcp-ip.eniac next, Richard?	    <<<