Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!cwjcc!neoucom!wtm From: wtm@neoucom.UUCP (Bill Mayhew) Newsgroups: sci.electronics Subject: Re: Telephone privacy gadgets Add: Cryptography Message-ID: <1813@neoucom.UUCP> Date: 24 Oct 89 13:36:33 GMT References: <799@mccall.uucp> <776@ariel.unm.edu> <804@n3dmc.UU.NET> Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine Lines: 30 Voice scrambles are almost ridiculously easy to defeat. Fortunately, the the time required to descramble without knowing the key used to generate the mask ought to be measured in minutes for a decent system. That means that scramblers work well in tactical combat situations for plane-plane, tank-tank, etc. conversations where the volitility of the information being passed renders the ease of cracking moot. I've heard stories that on some simple scramblers used in WW II, that trained listeners could defeat the system with no cryptanalysis tools at all. There are better things. I used to work at a place that used secured Motorola HT walkie-talkies. They were no bigger than a standard police unit, but had a spread-spectrum output that used digital DES to encipher the audio. When the units were keyed-up the noise floor on a standard HT came up only slightly. A person unaware that the secured HTs were in operation probably would not have been aware that any transmission was taking place at all. The data rate on something like a Telebit trailblazer modem is almost good enough to support digitized half-duplex speech. The trailblazer can manage about 1000-1200 bytes/sec on an average quality phone line. I've played around with the AT&T voice power board and it can achieve quite good listenability with as little as 2000 bytes/sec of sub-band coded speech. One might actually manage to get something marginally listenable with a data rate that could be digitized, enciphered and transmitted over a trailblazer modem in real time (half duplex). Bill