Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!att!cbnews!military From: cperlebe@encad.Wichita.NCR.COM (Chris Perleberg) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Rotary engine airplane troubles Message-ID: <10715@cbnews.ATT.COM> Date: 28 Oct 89 04:21:58 GMT References: <10577@cbnews.ATT.COM> <10622@cbnews.ATT.COM> Sender: military@cbnews.ATT.COM Organization: NCR Corporation Wichita, KS Lines: 55 Approved: military@att.att.com From: cperlebe@encad.Wichita.NCR.COM (Chris Perleberg) In article <10622@cbnews.ATT.COM> dyson@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (mark l dyson) writes: > > >From: dyson@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (mark l dyson) > >In article <10577@cbnews.ATT.COM> entropy@pawl.rpi.edu (Speaker for the Clams) writes: > >> I've heard that some early WWI aircraft such as the >>Fokker DR1 and Sopwith Pup were designed so that the engine >>was fixed to the propeller shaft and the entire engine spun >>round and round within the fuselage. > >[mod.note: I meant to mention this yesterday... isn't the correct > term "radial", not "rotary" ? My RX-7 has a rotary engine, > I thought A/C had radials. Or is a spinning radial also called > a rotary ? - Bill ] > No, the term rotary is correct. There were no radial engines (engines where the prop shaft spun while the engine remained stationary) in the Great War (the 1918 Siemens-Schukert D-VI? may have had a radial -- memory fails me -- but I doubt it). All "round" engines in the First War were rotaries. The last major fighters produced by both the British and Germans in 1918 (the Sopwith Snipe and the Fokker D-VIII) had rotary engines (the French SPAD series had inline engines, as did the Fokker D-VII and SE-5a). Not all aircraft with rotary engines shared the turning characteristics of the Sopwith Camel or Fokker Triplane. In fact, most didn't. The determining factors must have been plane size, engine power, wing-loading and so on (I'm not an aircraft engineer). Some rotaries, like the FE2 or DH2 pushers, gained almost no maneuverability from the engine (they were dogs, in fact). Others, like the Nieuport series and the Sopwith Pup, gained a little, but not much. Other design factors made them maneuverable. The rotary had its disadvantages. First, as engines got bigger and bigger, more and more metal got slung around, reducing efficiency. Second, damage to the prop or engine (like a cylinder breaking off) could unbalance the engine (no kidding), and make the whole aircraft fall apart (extremely unpleasant in the days before parachutes 8-). This was especially a problem in the early days of interrupter gear (the gearing that linked the propeller with the MG trigger so that the MG could fire safely through the prop). Max Immelmann (inventor of the "Immelmann turn") is thought to have shot himself down in 1916 when the interrupter gear on his Fokker E-IV "slipped" a bit and shot his propeller off. Chris Perleberg cperlebe@encad.wichita.ncr.com