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From: gazit@lear.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: how to bash feminism without really trying
Summary: If you criticise *me* then you're sexist...
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Date: 24 Oct 89 21:54:33 GMT
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In article <2529@cbnewsd.ATT.COM>kja@cbnewsd.ATT.COM(krista.j.anderson) writes:

>If companies could just pay a few grand in order to avoid hiring
>people they don't know how to deal with, they probably would.

Yup, that's why I suggested *personal* fine.

Besides, what would happen if companies could feel up a quota of women &&
minorities and then to continue to run the upper management as they like,
without any fear for EEO committees?

# When you accept less qualified women via AA,
# does it improve the image of women?

>This is typical of the 80s style of rhetoric where image is more
>important than substance.  

1) Please go back and check who started to talk about image (it was not me).

2) Do you claim that there are no cases like this?

3) If companies don't accept less qualified women via AA,
   why do you fight so hard to keep AA?

>But Hillel claims I don't need AA.  

Please bring a quote.

I've claimed that AA helps women which are now in the job market in the
expense of non-Old-Boys men.  Do you agree or disagree with this claim?

>In fact, he doesn't even think I should have been hired because,
>being a woman, I am obviously unqualified for my job.  

Please bring a quote.

>Well, I apologize to all those folks who need AA that I can't spend
>more time defending it against people who assume that women have
>inferior qualifications.  

Please bring quote.

Hillel                                           gazit@cs.duke.edu

"There must be a way to raise up Woman without tearing down Man." -- wharf rat