Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!daemon From: chi@vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Bo Chi) Newsgroups: ut.chinese Subject: Oct. 29 (II), News Digest Message-ID: <8910291947.AA03861@vlsi.waterloo.edu> Date: 29 Oct 89 14:47:58 GMT Sender: Distribution: ut Lines: 190 Approved: nobody@csri.toronto.edu Original-To: china-distribution@cs.toronto.edu * C h i n a N e w s D i g e s t * (ND Canada Service) -- Oct. 29 (II), 1989 Table of Contents # of Lines Editor's notes about this news package ........................... 15 1) REPORT FROM CHINESE STUDENT AUTONOMOUS ASSOCIATION ............. 64 2) RESPONSE FROM MIN ZHEN'S OFFICE IN NY .......................... 20 3) COMMENT FROM MR. GUYANG HUANG, MEMBER OF SVC OF IFCSS .......... 60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Editor's note: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Since the 'World Journal'(Shi Jie Ri Bao) first publised the allegation about Mr. Hu Ming's forgery of signitures on the receipt of the donations he brought to Beijing in May (See WJ 10/19/89), there have been a lot of concerns about this case, probably because of the important position that Mr. Hu is holding in the 'Front of Democratic China'. Mr. Hu is now the assistant of Mr. Wan Rinan, the General Secretary of FDC. To present a whole picture to our readers, I called the office of FDC in NY, to try to get Mr. Hu's response of the allegation. Also I asked Mr. Guyang Hung, the member of the SVC of IFCSS to make his comment of this case. Now We include all the materials below for our readers to make their judgements of this case. Gang Xu Note: 'Min Zhen' = FDC = Front for Democratic China ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. Report from Chinese Student Autonomous Association at Northwestern U ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Liang Wang Chinese Student Autonomous Association at Northwestern University Email: lwang@nuacc.bitnet Phone: (312) 491-3424 Fax: (312) 491-3424 Subject: Hu Ming, Donation and Forged Signatures Date: October 17, 1989 In May of this year, Hu Ming, then at Ohio State University, volunteered to take donations to the students on Tainanmen Square. On May 23, 1989, the student organizations of Northwestern University(NU) and The University of Chicago(UC) gave Hu Ming US$4900.00 in cash, asking him to take it to the students on Tainanmen Square and to bring the receipt with signatures of Wang Dan or Wuerkeixi. On June 7, 1989, Hu Ming came back to Chicago from China. He gave a receipt for the donation to the student organizations of NU and UC with three signatures on it: Wang Juntao, Wang Dan, and yang Tao. On July 29, 1989, Wang Liang, a student leader of NU showed the receipt to Wuerkaixi in Chicago. After examining the receipt closely, Wuerkaixi told Wang Liang that the signatures under the names of "Wang Dan" and "Yang Tao" were not from the hands of Wang Dan and Yang Tao. But he was not familiar with Wang Juntao's signature and was unable to tell whether or not it was fake. The next day, July 30, Wang Liang managed to meet Hu Ming to ask him if the signatures of Wang Dan and Yang Tao were real. Hu Ming said that Wang Dan and Yang Tao did not sign the receipt. Then he swore that all three signatures were signed by Wang Juntao. The reason, Hu Ming explained, was that Wang Juntao accepted the donation from him in a dangerous situation. Later, Wang Liang learned that Cheng Yu had known Wang Juntao for several years. Cheng Yu is a student of UC, who went to Beijing to support the students at Tiananmen in late May of this year, and was arrested by secret police of China, but was released later. Wang Liang told Cheng Yu of the receipt for the donations handled by Hu Ming. Cheng Yu has a collection of Wang Jutao's personal letters and postcards written to her with more than ten of Wang Juntao signatures. On comparison of Wang Juntao's signature on the letters sent to Cheng Yu and the handwriting on the receipt for the donation of $4900.00 the signatures are not the same. The receipt was sent to a distinguished expert of forensic science to be examined. The conclusion of the expert is that: (1) The three signatures on the receipt for $4900.00 are the product of one writter. (2) Comparison of letters written to Cheng Yu and signed by Wang Juntao and that of the receipt of $4900.00 the signatures do not match. Therefore, it was concluded by the expert that the signature appearing on the receipt was not Wang Juntao's. Those who want to know more about Hu Ming's case can contact Wang Liang at (312) 491-3424. After November 11, 1989 the area code changes from 312 to 708. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2. Response from Min Zhen's Office in NY (10/20/89) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: GXU@KENTVM.BITNET (date:10/20/89) Hi, again for this Hu Ming case, I called the NY office of Min Zhen about 10 mi nutes ago and tried to get Hu Ming for his comment of the WJ article. Hu was no t in, a man names Xu Ming answered the phone. Hu himself is now in Paris and wo n't be back in a few days. They had already known about the WJ article and they had been aware of this a couple of months ago. Xu said that Hu gave some explanations within Min Zhen before and for some reasons that couldn't be made public then, Min Zhen decided not to make any explanation about this matter. Xu also said that it is possible that things will be cleared in one or two months and asked people to be patient. Privately, Xu acknowledged that 'there might have been something sloppy in the proceedure when Hu handdled the money, but consider the situation in Beijing at that time!', he personally believed that Hu was innocent. 'Otherwise', Xu said 'we won't put him in this important position now'. Xu himself was originally from Ohio State Univ. and now is working full time for Min Zhen in its NY office. The phone num is 212-571-1672 or 212-571-1673. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Comment from Mr. Guyang Huang, Member of SVC of IFCSS ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Oct 89 14:25 EDT From: GHUANG@UMAECS Subject: My Comment on Hu Min's Case Oct. 20, 1989 Having being asked for opinion by IFCSS members, I give my comments below as an IFCSS SVC member: A. THE FACTS As the best of my knowledge, I confirm what Wang Liang said in his article is basically true. I have been informed this case since early Aug. and been kept update from a different source. However, I have not got any information from Hu Min yet. I have no personal relations to either Wang or Hu. B. MY ATTITUDE 1. This case happened before the establishment of IFCSS (and before the establishment of the Democratic Front "Min Zhen" as well). Since this case concerns the loss of property---donation fund of two IFCSS member school: $2,000 from Northwestern and $2,900 from U. Chicago, SVC member gives such a confirmation and, if any representative from either of this two schools will have legal action for this case, I shall ask the headquarter of IFCSS to give all kinds of possible help. 2. This case only concerns with Hu Min as an individual, not with his position or work in the Democratic Front at all. The SVC of DF is having some action now which is totally independent. 3. If, in the future, further evidence would show that Hu Min would be acturally innocent, another statement should be made to correct this. C. MEANINGS OF THIS CASE SO FAR 1. We have to be honest to the truth. In the long run of our course, we can only be honest to establish our creditability which is the basis of our moral leadship. Openness is one of the most distinguish difference between CCP and us. CCP hides anything "bad" to them and we dare to open everything happened. 2. Some leaders here argued for not breaking this fact because they worry this would affect their further donation drive. I think, it is because we do take response seriously to all the donation money we have got, we thus break this case. This case will show our determination of being responsible to our funds. Anyone can hardly makes no mistake, but he must show his capability to correct mistakes. As a matter of fact, I was told that Hu Min made a trip to Hongkong in the summer. He asked for financial support from a New York student foundation ($1,000) and another Chicago source (a couple of thousands dollars) which seems not knowing each other's supporting. The total support seemed more than sufficient to cover necessary expenses for such a trip. This seems to be another piece of evidence of being irresponsible to our limited financial sources. 3. This case shows the advantage of our democratic system over the CCP's dictatorship system during our practise. We have the supervises from both the news media and the system (SVC). We fight for democracy not because that our leaders are wiser or more capable than Mao Ze-dong or Deng Xiao-ping, but because that the democratic system we believe is better than CCP's. It is the democratic system which can save our motherland. Any wonderful person (even great leader) might make mistakes, but a good system can prevent bad consequences of his mistakes. Huang, Guyang IFCSS SVC Member ------------------------------------------------------------------------- News Digest, US Section(NDUS) Editor: Gang Xu E-mail: GXU@KENTVM.BITNET ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= News Transmission chi@vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (or) -------------------- --------------------- Local Editor: Bo Chi chi@vlsi.waterloo.edu .