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From: pem@cadnetix.COM (Paul Meyer)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.emacs,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Re: alt.macgnu
Keywords: GNU, EMACS, MAC, APPLE
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Date: 30 Oct 89 18:06:30 GMT
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In article <1150@mipos3.intel.com> woodstock@hobbes.intel.com (Nate Hess) writes:
>In article <87@toaster.SFSU.EDU>, stan@toaster (Stan Osborne) writes:
>>Would people porting gnu software to Mac's please identify themselves
>>to all of us who have lots of Mac's.  We desperately want to run the
>>same editor, compiler's, bison's, etc's. on all of our computer systems. 
>>
>>Please email me any info you might have.  I will sumarize and post

Point 1:
	IF GNU.MISC.DISCUSS IS THE ONLY GNU.* GROUP WHERE DISAGREEMENT
	WITH FSF POLITICS IS ALLOWED TO BE DISCUSSED, BY GOLLY I'LL DISCUSS
	MY DISAGREEMENT WITH FSF POLITICS HERE!

	Please *don't* restrict your followups to non-gnu groups like
	comp.emacs.  (Of course, please *do* restrict your followups to
	groups appropriate to your content.)

Point 2:
	Of course, here in gnu.misc.discuss, the viewpoint that one does
not *have* to agree with GNU politics to like GNU software, even though
one *supports* GNU politics by supporting GNU software, is expressed
regularly and often as a "rebuttal" to people who complain about GNU's
politics.  Here we have an opportunity to see how rms's own ideals can
fight his own political program!  (My opinion of rms's morals is actually
high--I just don't agree with him.  I don't expect what I mention below
to actually happen...)

	Why don't we create an alt.macgnu (or some variant) newsgroup
specifically for discussion of and work on mac ports of GNU software?
The thrust of the GPL is certainly against any attempts to prevent porting
GNU software to the Mac--or is FSF going to "hoard" their source-code from
us?

	Of course, FSF is free to make efforts with every release to break
the fixes/patches that made the previous release work on Macs, but isn't
the claimed purpose of FSF to make programmers more productive?  Spending
time finding ways to break patches doesn't sound like productivity to me...

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