Path: utzoo!yunexus!ists!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!ucsd!swrinde!gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!ctrsol!cica!iuvax!purdue!bu-cs!dartvax!eleazar.dartmouth.edu!jskuskin From: jskuskin@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Jeffrey Kuskin) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Surges Message-ID: <17067@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> Date: 17 Nov 89 21:52:15 GMT Article-I.D.: dartvax.17067 References: <503@ctycal.UUCP> <15126@haddock.ima.isc.com> <7000@pt.cs.cmu.edu> <150@csinc.UUCP> Sender: news@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU Reply-To: jskuskin@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Jeffrey Kuskin) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 40 In article <150@csinc.UUCP> rpeglar@csinc.UUCP (Rob Peglar x615) writes: >In article <7000@pt.cs.cmu.edu>, lindsay@MATHOM.GANDALF.CS.CMU.EDU (Donald Lindsay) writes: > >> >> This is well-known as one of Seymour Cray's concerns. In the Cray-1, >> he was worried that standing waves could develop in the copper ground >> plane of a circuit board. His answer was to make a machine with power >> demand that was (I believe) completely independant of the data >> flowing through it. > >This was a worry one machine before the Cray-1 - the Cyber 7600. > Quoting from my Computer Architecture textbook: "Cray-1 modules are 6 inches wide. The distance across the board is about a nanosecond which is just about the edge time of the electrical signals. Unless due precautions are taken, when electric signals run around a board, standing waves can be induced in the ground plane. Part of the solution is to make all signals paths in the machine the same length. This is done by padding out paths with foil runs and IC packages. All told, between 10 and 20 percent of the IC packages in the machine are there simply to pad out a signal line. The other part of the solution is to use only simple gates and make sure that both sides of every gate are always terminated. This means that there is no dynamic component presented to the power supply. ... The final result is that there is just a purely resisitive load to the power supply." From: "The CRAY-1 Computer System," by Richard M. Russell. CACM, January, 1978. Maybe someone could comment on to what extent similar issues are important today as microprocessors approach the 50-100 MHz. range. -- Jeff Kuskin, Dartmouth College E-Mail: jskuskin@eleazar.dartmouth.edu