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From: sb@pro-generic.cts.com (Stephen Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple
Subject: Re: Apple II Users
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Date: 8 Nov 89 08:23:40 GMT
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In-Reply-To: message from garym@pro-fishunt.cts.com

This I read:
>It is amazing to me the attitudes of many in the Apple II community. It seems
>that Apple II users are paranoid, picky, fussy and unrealistic. Why they
>always expect upgrades(and they better be free) and expect everything
>yesterday,makes me wonder if they live up to the same standards as theyseemto
>expect of Apple Inc.In many ways Apple has supported the Apple II better than
>many companies support their products. If you keep bitching they may stop
>listening altogther. Even though GS/OS may not have lived up to your
>expectations it sounds to me as though it was a major improvement, is thatnot
>support. Do you think the manhours that goes into an operating system upgrade
>of that magnitude comes cheap! Apple may not be perfect and there may be
>things they could do better, but they do not deserve the flack some of you
>give them.

I hardly think that many people in the Apple II community are being
"paranoid, picky, fussy and unrealistic".  Other than the Apple IIe (another
Apple II) what other HARDWARE has been out for 3 YEARS WITHOUT SUBSTANTIVE
CHANGE without a SUCCESSOR?  None.  You obviously don't use an Apple II, but
would you be satisfied with the throughput, graphics, and support for your
machine that the Apple II has. The Apple II has been 'left' as an Educational
computer. Well, is there any surprise that the NON-educational software
developers don't support it anymore??  I don't use my Apple II for Education,
so what am I to do???  

You say Apple supports the II better than other companies support their
products. Cite one please. Apple Canada quietly does its best to pretend the
Apple II doesn't exist. "Get a Mac" they say. "Upgrade".  Well, that's good
support, but for what?

I am not into Apple bashing (though I could get into it rather easily). I
appreciate what Matt D. is saying about Apple II DTS's feelings for Apple II
support, but if Apple hopes to be content with a shrinking market (instead of
a growing one), Matt D. and his colleages are destined to be on Macintosh DTS.
 I know of NO other company that is so READY to rest on its laurels, so
content to be "the worst they can get away with" instead of the "best they can
be". 

Why is Apple so happy to let Apple II users bear the Apple II flag? Isn't that
THEIR job?  

 
Finally, I have NO complaints about System Disk 5.0xxx. Great. Two years late,
but great anyway.  Now, they've brought the software up to date. How about the
hardware? If they wanted 10 meg 65816's, they could get them.  We'd settle
with 8 megs!

And comments about "free upgrades". Heck, I (like everyone else in this world)
prefer FREE upgrades. BUT I'D GLADLY PAY for a new Apple II if it were worth
it. And (correct me if I'm wrong) a lot of other people would too!!!

(excuse the punctuation... it's instead of the raised voice)


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