Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!wuarchive!gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!marque!carroll1!dnewton From: dnewton@carroll1.UUCP (Dave 'Post No Nicknames' Newton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Re: A3000 Message-ID: <849@carroll1.UUCP> Date: 12 Nov 89 09:34:04 GMT References: <119.25505695@metnet.FIDONET.ORG> <8911120232.AA07383@en.ecn.purdue.edu> Reply-To: dnewton@carroll1.UUCP (Dave 'Post No Nicknames' Newton) Organization: Organization? We don't need no steenkin' organization. Lines: 47 In article <8911120232.AA07383@en.ecn.purdue.edu> bevis@EE.ECN.PURDUE.EDU (Jeff Bevis) writes: >In article <119.25505695@metnet.FIDONET.ORG>, Mark.Johnson@p0.f30.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mark Johnson) writes: >>Hmmm seems to me that the logic used by the Atari bashers makes that >>A3000 a vaporware product too. Seems odd that they aren't crying about >>their awful - supportless - lying - cheating C= company like they are >>trying to accuse Atari of, eh? Until the A3000 comes out, I will call it vaporware. It may exist in some forms somewhere, but unless _I_ can get it, it's vaporware. >I wouldn't label the A3000, or even Amiga UNIX (AMIX), as vaporware. Amiga >UNIX is, in fact, in functioning existence as we speak, and was demoed >recently at some UNIX convention. I've seen many things demoed at computer shows. I saw a nameless PC supposedly running some software, when in actuallity there was a VAX behind curtain #1 running the demo. Appearance at a ComShow is hardly a guarantee that the product exists. I made the mistake of pre-ordering a software package at a show (yes, I saw it run) and found out later it was probably 6-12 months 'til shipping. >Naturally, nobody in this newsgroup really cares what happens at Commodore. >This is an Atari group. I'm an Amiga person (see .sig), and I just dropped >in to see what you people were doing with your machines, so that I might >make more intelligent conversation... This was the first article I saw. >It's sad, really, since this kind of brand-prejudice is totally non- >productive and has helped us all to come to live in an IBM-dominated world. Not true at all--I care a lot since I may very well buy an Amiga. I'll still keep my ST, it's a cool machine. But being able to put in a BridgeBoard, 68030 @ 25-33MHz, MultiPort serial board, easy GenLock stuff, etc. has pushed me to buy a Commodore (something I swore I would never do when I saw the Vic-20) And I don't think loyalty to Atari pushed us to domination by Big Blue. In fact, just the opposite--our tolerance of Atari has _kept_ Big Blue from totally dominated with their antiquated machinry. I'll probably end up buying an Amiga 2500 w/ accelerator, bridgeboard, a 25NHz 386 for Unix (unless Commodore's is good), and keep a decked-out ST. The best of all worlds. An ATW is still a possibility, but I haven't heard back from whoever it was I wrote to in England yet. -- David L. Newton | uunet!marque!carroll1!dnewton | The Raging Apostle-- (414) 524-7343 (work) | dnewton@carroll1.cc.edu | for the future-- (414) 524-6809 (home) | 100 NE Ave, Waukesha WI 53186 | for the world. "Isn't it fun to take two unrelated sentences and mix the batter lightly?" -me