Path: utzoo!utgpu!watmath!looking!brad From: brad@looking.on.ca (Brad Templeton) Newsgroups: news.groups Subject: Re: You want one that fits in 25 lines? Message-ID: <46614@looking.on.ca> Date: 12 Nov 89 05:38:06 GMT References: <45326@looking.on.ca> <41800006@inmet> Reply-To: brad@looking.on.ca (Brad Templeton) Organization: Looking Glass Software Ltd. Lines: 31 Class: discussion How to rename a trial group into mainstream USENET? I would be surprised if, in 99% of all cases, an independent experienced netter couldn't come up with a good descriptive name for the move. In the remaining 1% (or more, if you think so) let them hash it out *in* the trial group, without annoying the rest of the net. Have a vote if you must, or have somebody in the trial group who really opposes the independent suggestion have a run-off vote between the independent suggestion an an alternate. (Announce once in news.announce.newgroups or similar group) But in most cases let's not pick the name by committee. A naming scheme must be understandable, but most importantly, it must be *consistent*. Names chosen in a series of votes or through 'net concenus' (whatever that is) will not be consistent. If it's not consistent, it doesn't serve the purpose for which it is intended. Sadly, the case for the illusion of democracy is also strong, which is why we have what we have now -- but it reduces the utility of the naming scheme. I would be willing to say *all* names be chosen by a disinterested experienced netter, but other people seem to resist that. They resist it for a valid reason -- it's difficult to feel you can trust one person. But I do know (and recent events prove it) that we can't trust the committee of 500. We can be sure that they will be inconsistent. A tougher problem is now to deal with rec.sex. That group was passed and not created, due to 'the cabal.' What would we do today if such a group were proposed? I can't imagine a single democracy-like test (including my readership level test) that wouldn't be passed by rec.sex. In the end, it would just come down to scared sysadmins not forwarding the group as they wish, I guess. -- Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Waterloo, Ontario 519/884-7473