Path: utzoo!utgpu!utstat!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!datapg!com50!com2serv!craig From: craig@com2serv.C2S.MN.ORG (Craig S. Wilson) Newsgroups: news.groups Subject: Re: Give it up, folks Message-ID: <3016@com50.C2S.MN.ORG> Date: 14 Nov 89 19:29:28 GMT References: <127839@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> <36442@apple.Apple.COM> Sender: nntp@com50.C2S.MN.ORG Reply-To: craig@com2serv.c2s.mn.org (Craig S. Wilson) Organization: Com Squared Systems, Mendota Heights, MN Lines: 42 In article <36442@apple.Apple.COM> chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) writes: >> Perhaps only positive votes should be counted -- if there is >>enough interest, the create the group, else not. > >The problem I have with this is how you define 'enough' -- sci.aquaria, for >instance, had a large number of yes votes. Was it 'enough'? You can really >only judge positive interest in comparison to the negative interest. 500 yes >votes is definitely 'enough' if you have 10 dissenters. Is it enough if you >have 500 or 600 dissenters? > >No, I still think that a 2/3 majority is the way to go if we're going to >vote. I'd like to find some way to circumvent votes for groups where it's >clearly a formality or the creation is non-controversial, though. 95% of the >time the vote is rubberstamping what is considered a good idea, and it seems >overkill to put everything through the wringer just to try to stop the >occasional idiot. >Chuq Von Rospach <+> Editor,OtherRealms <+> Member SFWA/ASFA Is the value derived from a newgroup by the 500-yes versus 10-no that much more important than the value derived by, say 500-yes versus 401-no. Why should your strong negative feelings about a newsgroup prevent me from benefitting from it? Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with what happened with all of this fish crap. But, if we are gonna change the voting system for newsgroup creation, let's do it right. Let's give each site one vote and let the sys admin or designate cast that vote. Simple majority rules. It is the systems administrators, acting on behalf of the machine owners, who have the responsibility for keeping the Usenet running and bear the cost of doing so. They should have the responsibility and authority to determine how it runs. The Usenet isn't democracy and it isn't anarchy. It is a fuedal system where the cost of a fief is the cost of setting up and running a site. /craig Craig S. Wilson | Democracy |{amdahl|hpda}!bungia!com50!craig Com Squared Systems, Inc | is not a |craig@c2s.mn.org 2520 Pilot Knob Road | spectator |(612) 452-9522 voice Mendota Heights MN 55120 | sport. |(612) 452-3607 fax