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From: davison@drivax.UUCP (Wayne Davison)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: The disservice of pushing for sci.aquaria
Message-ID: <25652331.6441@drivax.UUCP>
Date: 18 Nov 89 09:38:56 GMT
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Reply-To: davison@drivax.UUCP (Wayne Davison)
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dianeh@gryphon.COM (Diane Holt) writes:
>In <256079A9.3D19@drivax.UUCP> davison@drivax.UUCP (Wayne Davison) writes:
>>With this sort of reasoning, we should move all of rec into sci so that we
>>can slip something by those eeeevil sysadmins who have chosen to NOT carry
>>the recreation-oriented netnews hierarchy.

>It wasn't a "sort of reasoning" to get past "eeeevil sysadmins"; it was a
>counter to [...] "because of the name, it may not be generally available."
>The statement made no sense; therefore, it was countered.

>Geez, isn't there any discussion-oriented group on the Net that has people who
>keep track of what's been said?

First off, I know full well what has been said.  Some people were complaining
that a rec group would not get as much distribution as they desired, especially
in Britain.

Did you ever stop to wonder WHY?  Do you think that this was some sort of an
error?  A glitch to be worked-around by simply throwing the group into sci
because it is better distributed?  It just so happens that someone has to PAY
for the phone calls that make usenet possible, and if these people choose not
to carry rec, they do so (in many cases) because they don't want to pay for it.
Especially in Britain where a trans-Atlantic call costs big bucks.

So when someone decides to place a recreation newsgroup in the sci hierarchy,
you are forcing sysadmins that do not wish to transfer recreational material
to take extra steps to implement the policy they had already put in place.
Since some of them won't know or won't bother, you have "slipped something
by" them.  They are now paying to transfer your recreational material when
what SHOULD have happened is that the people who want a rec group should
setup an additional feed for whatever groups their neighbors don't carry.
Maybe even <horrors>, PAY to call uunet themselves.
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