Path: utzoo!yunexus!ists!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!att!cbnews!military From: military@cbnews.ATT.COM (William B. Thacker) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: M16 Ammo Message-ID: <11498@cbnews.ATT.COM> Date: 17 Nov 89 06:56:46 GMT Article-I.D.: cbnews.11498 Organization: Scientific Atlanta, Government Products Div, San Diego, CA Lines: 26 Approved: military@att.att.com From: uunet!sagpd1!jharkins (Jim Harkins) If M16 ammo tumbled in flight it wouldn't be a very accurate round. As the rifle is used in shooting matches I tend to assume it keeps its nose forward. But when it hits the target it tumbles. Or if it hits a twig, bush, or what have you it tumbles before it gets to the target (rarely hitting). But it was decided by the powers that be that being hit by a bullet that tumbled on impact was cruel and inhumane. So the original barrel twist was shortened from 1:12 to 1:8 (I think). So there's a new problem. Now when the bullet hits it fragments. So whats worse, being hit by a bullet that tumbles or by one that fragments once inside your body? I remember about 2 years ago I went to the desert with a friend who liked to reload ammo for his AR-15. He had a batch of bullets that wouldn't even hit paper at 100 yds. Nor at 50 yds. Nor at 20. At about 10 we noticed lots of little holes around the target. Turns out the bullets were tearing themselves apart as soon as they left the muzzle, he'd mistakenly bought bullets designed for the 1:12 twist and was shooting them out of a 1:8 barrel. Think about it, 1 Revolution every 8 inches, traveling about 3300 fps, is 297,000 RPM. You physics students, how much rotational energy does the jacket of this bullet have to contain, considering it's a 55 grain slug? (side note: how many grains are in an ounce/gram?). jim "Happiness is lots of little things. Green, about 2 1/2 by 6"